Pepperm1nts said
It's been about 200 years since the bombs fell, Boerd. Unless your dude is a ghoul, there is no way he's still around.
Read the whole sheet, the reference to "The US" will make sense.
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Read the whole sheet, the reference to "The US" will make sense.
Name: Marcellus LeMay
Age: 37
Race: Human
Gender: Male
Rank: Lt. Colonel
Brief Origin Story: The story of Marcellus is quite simple. In the stratocratic USA in an extremely dangerous world, the best way to move up in society is to do so in the military. Once he graduated school on the base, he immediately went to Officer Candidate School and performed excellently there, leading to his command of one of the active forces of the US.
Appearance:
Army Sheet:
Army Name: First Battalion, Rifle Infantry
Army Patch:
Army Specialisations: They are rigorously disciplined to the highest standards of pre-war United States infantry, raising their ability in all areas (basically Jack-of-all-trades specialization). Their specialization, enabled by this rigid discipline, is on defeating non-conventional ememies, such as Super Mutants and Robots.
Army Origins: In the immediate aftermath of the Great War, there was a crisis of loyalties. To whom would the soldiers of the miraculously untouched Fort Lewis answer? The country was in unmitigated chaos, and soldiers were needed then more than any time before. Upon discovering the Enclave, the soldiers happily obeyed their directives until 2080, when under the constitution a presidential election was to be held. No such election, was in fact held, and as the soldiers had sworn to "uphold and defend" the constitution of the United States, they refused to accede to the President, and proceeded to do legal gymnastics to call a constitutional convention. The soldiers were sentimentally attached to the country and Army which they had served, and so retained the name United States of America. Eventually they joined the Yakima Republic in a confederative way, retaining a great deal of local autonomy but yielding foreign policy to the YR.
Army Racial Composition: Generally Human males and Robots only, for purely military reasons. For example, Ghouls' perpetual rotting poses extreme sanitation issues and the odor could be percieved by the opposing force.
Order of Battle:
1st Company and 2nd Company have the same organization.
Legend:
Position(number)-Rank-Primary Weapon
Unit(number of units)[total men]
Company HQ[34]:
Weapons Platoon[43]:
Rifle Platoon (3)[123]:
Kudos for most organized company? :P
Age: 37
Race: Human
Gender: Male
Rank: Lt. Colonel
Brief Origin Story: The story of Marcellus is quite simple. In the stratocratic USA in an extremely dangerous world, the best way to move up in society is to do so in the military. Once he graduated school on the base, he immediately went to Officer Candidate School and performed excellently there, leading to his command of one of the active forces of the US.
Appearance:
Army Sheet:
Army Name: First Battalion, Rifle Infantry
Army Patch:
Army Specialisations: They are rigorously disciplined to the highest standards of pre-war United States infantry, raising their ability in all areas (basically Jack-of-all-trades specialization). Their specialization, enabled by this rigid discipline, is on defeating non-conventional ememies, such as Super Mutants and Robots.
Army Origins: In the immediate aftermath of the Great War, there was a crisis of loyalties. To whom would the soldiers of the miraculously untouched Fort Lewis answer? The country was in unmitigated chaos, and soldiers were needed then more than any time before. Upon discovering the Enclave, the soldiers happily obeyed their directives until 2080, when under the constitution a presidential election was to be held. No such election, was in fact held, and as the soldiers had sworn to "uphold and defend" the constitution of the United States, they refused to accede to the President, and proceeded to do legal gymnastics to call a constitutional convention. The soldiers were sentimentally attached to the country and Army which they had served, and so retained the name United States of America. Eventually they joined the Yakima Republic in a confederative way, retaining a great deal of local autonomy but yielding foreign policy to the YR.
Army Racial Composition: Generally Human males and Robots only, for purely military reasons. For example, Ghouls' perpetual rotting poses extreme sanitation issues and the odor could be percieved by the opposing force.
Order of Battle:
1st Company and 2nd Company have the same organization.
Legend:
Position(number)-Rank-Primary Weapon
Unit(number of units)[total men]
Company HQ[34]:
Weapons Platoon[43]:
Rifle Platoon (3)[123]:
Kudos for most organized company? :P
Magic. Address my point that those who lack religion have killed more in both absolute and proportional terms than those who do.
Neobullseye said
@So BoerdCould you please explain to me how what I said is a 'No true Scotsman' fallacy? I didn't say that communist countries cannot also be atheistic. All I said was that communism and atheism aren't interexchangable by virtue of being about two completely different things. By the definition I have given before, how exactly could one not be both religious and communist (in the sense that everyone should be equal and deserve equal property, chances and whatnot, and that one man should not have more might than any given other) at the same time?Also, for future refernce, please either quote the entire post, or add something like <Snip> to state that you have removed something that wasn't important to your point. Right now the part you have copy-pasted makes it look like I said that atheists would never harm anyone, which is obviously not true. Once again, I am well aware that both communist and atheists have done horrible things. All I am saying is that A: You cannot lump the two groups together.and B: Atheism doesn't have any codes/creeds to follow, meaning that any code that is followed by any given atheist must stem from another source. This might be a personal hate towards religion/religious people, it might be indoctrination/peer pressure by a group; really it could be anything, there's just nothing innate in atheism that dictates that non-nonbelievers should be killed or whatever other horrible thing you can think of.
Your "actual response" was needlessly focused on an accusation directed towards Magnum. I used the salient points.
Now answer the question. What is there innate in belief in God that says kill the unbelievers?
Once against Communism =/= Atheism.
So approximate death per capita between Atheism and Religion is rather one sided.
Hence why I said "Those who lack religion". And those who lack religion, of which Hitler was, have been the prime causes.
Though once again, one can be Christian and still a communist. Which granted is suicidal if Stalin or Mao is in charge, could be completely different if a Christian were to made head. The difference between Stalin and Osama is that Stalin did it in the name of Communism/Personal power and authority, political motivation. Osama did it in the same of his religion and anger at America for getting involved in their business. A combination of political and religious motivation. Now, Stalin being an atheist and being responsible for so many deaths does beyond a doubt prove that atheists are capable of great violent crimes (which I was never arguing against btw). But it does not prove that him being an atheist was the reasoning or cause for it, especially considering many atheists were also killed by him.
So your entire defense of atheism is again based on absurd semantics. Because it is "impossible" to kill in the name of Atheism, Atheism you claim is superior.
Hence, my need to steer the debate somewhere sensible. A society that becomes atheistic or at least governed by Atheists is no less violent, and as proven by Cambodia, China, the USSR, Cuba, North Korea, and Nazi Germany (Hitler was Deist at best, and so would kill no one "for religion") You would not save a single life if you waved a wand and abolished religion. Leave us alone.
there's just nothing innate in atheism that dictates that non-nonbelievers should be killed or whatever other horrible thing you can think of.
As there is nothing innate in the simple belief in God that says kill the unbelievers. I take it this means you agred with me and repudiate Magic's blanket condemnation of religion?
Fine then. If you are allowed to "No True Scotsman" an atheistic ideology, I get to disqualify every other religion, and not only that, I am allowed to disqualify how every other person but me practices my faith, and as I have not killed nor in fact used violence on everyone, religion=Gr8!
Also @Magnum. Then your defense of atheism is based on unadulterated semantics. If Atheists murdered people explicitly for believing God, what caused them to do it?
Let me dodge these semantics by instead proposing that lack of religion makes you more violent. Now, there is no way around Communism's crimes. Let's do an approximate deaths per capita since the Enlightenment, when there began to be more than a few atheists, and you will find those without religion are responsible for more deaths in absolute terms, to say nothing of proportional.
Here's the thing. Atheism is not (or at least not always) an active denial of the existence of god(s); rather, it's a lack of belief that god(s) do exist. Atheism has no holy book, no doctrines, no dogmas or anything like that. There is literally no way in which atheism as a whole can cause or justify anything.
Also @Magnum. Then your defense of atheism is based on unadulterated semantics. If Atheists murdered people explicitly for believing God, what caused them to do it?
Let me dodge these semantics by instead proposing that lack of religion makes you more violent. Now, there is no way around Communism's crimes. Let's do an approximate deaths per capita since the Enlightenment, when there began to be more than a few atheists, and you will find those without religion are responsible for more deaths in absolute terms, to say nothing of proportional.
bosesbjorn said
Wouldn't that be killing for Communism then? I know it's a minor nitpick as Communism, at least the version you are referring to here is very atheistic. But this is like saying Christians during the crusades killed for Theism. Which would be incorrect as they were killing for their particular brand of Theism. The victims of communist dictators were killed because they believed in a god, yes, but it was the Communist ideology that led to them to be put to death not the concept of Atheism. The point still stands that both religious and non-religious ideologies have committed horrible atrocities. Religion is not required to make people into monsters, but a religious belief in anything does tend to lead to these sorts of things as it gives people a means to justify their actions, and it gathers together large groups of people who are often times supposed to unquestioningly follow a certain leader, and for obvious reasons this is at least somewhat required for most large scale atrocities. I mean religious belief here as an unquestioning loyalty to something, not necessarily as a belief in a god by the way. Just my two cents.
Except, I was refuting Magic's blanket all "Religion ebilz" conclusion.
I am game
But do we have any recorded cases (Not assumed from an absence of religion motivation) of that being the motivation?
Look up the Khmer Rouge.
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