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Thank you GodMod.

Claymoor is pretty much exactly what you said, with the exception that some more mild acids are not too effective on him, due to very unreactive mucus making up the cell suspension liquid. Being an polymorphous shapeshifter has the advantage over other shapeshifters, in that he can take things into his "body" this be used as structural support.

Besides Claymoor is actually a really nice guy, and would have no inkling to kill anyone who didn't deserve it, even if he could do that.

Actually Claymoor can change the internal pressure of his cells, so he can become about as stiff as the plastic used for disposable cups. Other than that, things that he picks up can be used for its mechanical properties, such as the wires from a lamp, along with the fixture and bulb to make a working (but squishy) lamp.

I hope this releaves some of the confusion, sorry I did not explain better.
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You are correct in saying that it would be impossible to be a ship. Because it is not made of cells.

But neither is a lamp or a car...

At this point, my stance has boiled down to more concrete limitations on his abilities, as well as defining the abilities clearer. If he cant turn into a ship because he is made of cells, then it should be impossible to form into a lamp or a car or something small and unnoticeable such as a grain of sand. At this point, I would be okay if we agree he can shift into other living objects however the ability would still need to be refined.

EDITERINO: I just read President Taco's newest post. One of the biggest ideals in Godmods post is that you can APPEAR like an object, but on closer examination (you wouldn't actually have that objects function/you would be squishy) it would be apparent that not everything is as it seems. The items working I am once again not to sure about. I wouldn't call plastic squishy. Once again, need GMs on this one, but I would keep it human flesh consistency. Overall, you still need more elaboration. When I used to rp, I tried to stay away from shapeshifting because of this exact reason here... it's difficult to balance.

Keep in mind that I am not at all AGAINST you being a shape shifter, I just think that the GMs need to agree on what is acceptable and what isnt. And if they decide that you can shapeshift into anything and for me to shut the hell up, then so be it, but we need more elaboration, and concrete limits.

To reiterate, GM's call on this and I hope we can get this worked out.
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I'm here. Sorry. I'm getting ready for vacation.

In response to @amol_kotay , I've spoken to Taco and Claymoor cannot turn into any functioning electronic device. He wouldn't be able to look like something big either, as he, as I understand, has a finite amount of cells. That said, neither of those things are in the sheet (at least they weren't last I looked). @President Taco , add those things to your sheet please. Don't assume that people will guess your character's weaknesses.
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The standard is, so long as he doesn't stop being made of 'supercells' which function in a exact, modular fashion, and so long as his abilities conform to the laws of science, physics and nature, and so long as his cells function as cells would, it's okay. The science just has to add up.

The general rule for what constitutes as OP is as follows: Defeat of the object, being, what have you, cannot require scientific knowledge more advanced than what you'd expect to find in a highschool classroom.

Killing cells does not require a college level understanding of the sciences. Therefor, Claymoor is not OP.

That is also why my character Agatha is not OP. As long as you know the basic laws of magnetism and conductivity as taught in most high school physics classes, you'll know how she works and how to defeat her.
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I wish to inquire as to what counts as a ship? For example, if one has a ship with multiple short range craft on board, do the small fighters or landing craft count as ships or are they considered different?

Edit, jokes on me that is answered already lol. Working on a sheet
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Ok, so I will edit that into my sheet later @Maxx, as I am kinda busy at the moment.

Ok, @amol_kotay, I don't recall ever saying that Claymoor is a human. Ever. So, why exactly, would he have to have the consistency of human flesh?
His cells are not like human cells, and can do tons of things that ours can't, such as increasing internal pressure, which makes him stiffer.
On top of that, his cells have much stronger membranes, so the turgor pressure can be quite high, allowing him to make his cells very rigid.

Where did you get the idea that he can turn into anything with a higher or lower mass than he currently has? Claymoor is supposed to be more sci, and less fi, I wouldn't do something stupid like that.

I am going to give you an example that is similar to Claymoor. Imagine you have a magnet factory, and it makes special magnets that can absorb water to swell up, or dry out to shrivel up. These magnets can be shaped into whatever you want them to LOOK like. They never stop being magnets.
You may decide to make your magnets look like a lamp, but the lamp will not turn on. You can run a wire through the magnets, and add a light bulb fixture to the lamp, and plug it in. now you have a lamp (shape) with a light bulb in it.

The factory can make more magnets if you give it more iron compounds to use. The magnet factory can recall some of its magnets, and recycle them, storing their raw materials for later use, or just dumping them out.

Ergo, the magnet thing can grow and shrink if you +/- water, or by making more magnets, and shrink recycling some of the magnets

Claymoor does not have a cell factory like in the example. His cells divide just like normal, except into 3 instead of 2...
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At this point, I'm just gonna focus on my own characters, I apologize if it seemed like I was trying to take the piss out of you @President Taco. I just wanted to try and understand this now, rather than deal with it down the road during rp. I still am not sure what the consensus is but for now i'm just gonna roll with whatever Taco has said so far.

If I am understanding it correctly, Claymoor can shift to be a hollow (or full if you desire) casing designed to APPEAR like an object, yet he can only imitate the object if he has the correct supplies? (Example, say you wanted to be a radio, if you had a speaker and some wires on you, you could also imitate the functionality of a radio?)

On my character sheets, still working on those. @Maxx I am going to send you a PM probably tomorrow if you are still around regarding a backstory element for my characters that will just help smooth some things up. Also a note to people making ships, if you really want to get into a good reference for your ships (things like tracking speed on weaponry), take a look at some of the stats and lore of some EVE ships. A lot of it is really in depth and I'm using one of the ships as a frame of reference. You can find a lot of it on Evelopedia.

Edit to fix mentions because I force myself to question my own intelligence...
Edited again because it's tracking SPEED not TIME...
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@amol_kotay You're still missing it, but you are close enough.

(he never changes from organic matter to a fake radio, his cells just move into the shape of a radio, and probably the table it's sitting on too, cause he can't shrink down to the size of a small radio without stashing most of his body mass somewhere else)
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@President TacoSo it's more like he moves around his cells and the radio would appear more like a 3D printed radio (no detail, just a collection of material shaped like a radio)? Is the point that he doesn't look like a radio, he just has the shape of a radio?
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NO! YOU ARE STILL WRONG!!!!!! YOU WILL SEE WHEN I DO MY FIRST POST!
(I can't do this anymore, you are driving me CRAZY!!1!!11!!!!)
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@President Taco knock it off. You're being extremely childish and I'm not gonna put up with it. You took this too far.
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I have to say, I also find this claymore thing a bit difficult to grasp.
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I have to say, I also find this claymore thing a bit difficult to grasp.


You and me both.
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The sheet doesn't tell me much at all, and from the discussion I am at a loss. I'm not trying to hate on anyone but if the sheet doesn't explain it well enough for the people in the thread to really understand, there seems to be a problem.
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I have updated my sheet.
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And also, I am sorry for "yelling" at you amol_kotay, but I want you to know, I was only half serious (The ones in the line of exclamation points is supposed to denote sarcasm).
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Korri Shadow is accepted.
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But, I want to know why we can't play as humans. I really want to play as them.
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