I ' M H I P S T E R . . . . 2 ! (+Bandwagon)

[Guru]

Kind of a followup to this post: "I'm Hipster...!"

Yup, so.. I posted there my most recent illustration I've been working on... Of course, got some critique from Holmes... :p (and Nat?)

ANYWHO... SO, still not finished. Just not enough time in the day for me, but here is an updated more recent version of "Joe Boxer"

As almost always... done with CS6 w/Mouse



A quick look back at previous versions...



Thoughts? Also... Guru's Concepts and Illustrations

[natsumehack]

Guru said
Kind of a followup to this post: Yup, so.. I posted there my most recent illustration I've been working on... Of course, got some critique from Holmes... :p (and Nat?)ANYWHO... SO, still not finished. Just not enough time in the day for me, but here is an updated more recent version of "Joe Boxer"As almost always... done with CS6 w/MouseA quick look back at previous versions...Thoughts? Also...

The crowd still bothers, and distracts me with out faces.

It gives me a surreal feel.

[Guru]

natsumehack said
The crowd still bothers, and distracts me with out faces.It gives me a surreal feel.

Like I said, I'm going to leave the crowd like that for as long as I can.. just because I know it bugs you. XD

[natsumehack]

Guru said
Like I said, I'm going to leave the crowd like that for as long as I can.. just because I know it bugs you. XD

It's just so off putting and if you was drawing horror, you would be spot on for me.

[natsumehack]

Kind wonder if that bugging me has to do with how anti-social I am

[stark]

Ok, you got the black out of the skin -- good. Now, this is where knowing color theory will help you out, as well as understanding how skin takes light. Firstly, you have to decide where your main light source is: do you want it to be coming from the viewer's perspective? Or do you want it to be the bright lights in the background? Once you decide that, the second thing you have to decide the temperature of your light source. Generally, if a light source is warm, then the shadows will be correspondingly cooler by comparison. (And vice versa if the light source is cool in tone, then the shadows will be warmer.) Definitely grab some reference to help you see how skin takes light in your chosen scenario!

Definitely get some reference for the anatomy -- you're having some proportional issues. (Right now his head is almost the size of his entire torso, when from the top of his head to his chin should actually be roughly the distance from the top of his shoulder to the bottom of his pectorals.)

Compositionally you've got some tangents that should be addressed:
1.) His chin vs. the top rope of the ring. (And also the audience heads lining up directly under it. I'd shift them done some more just to give it a bit of space.) Also, his collarbone/top of his shoulders and the middle rope. (This one isn't as big, but it's still there.)
2.) His mouth with the back edge in front of the distant audience.
3.) The back of his body with the right edge of the composition. This is feeling a bit cramped -- I'd add a bit of room to the piece here or I'd shift him over so that he is partially cropped out if you have to keep the dimensions that tight.
4.) The tops of his gloves (and his shorts) with the bottom of the composition. It feels like you're trying to hide the hands by having them down like that. I'd raise them up so that they're not cropped out, which will also help the narrative of your piece. (What's he doing? Is he getting ready to fight? Is it between rounds? Has he just won? Right now he'd not doing anything interesting -- by deciding what he's doing or is about to do, you can really help give the piece have a sense of life!) You have all that uninteresting/unimportant space painted for the floor of the ring -- bring those hands up and make use of the space!

This has the chance to be a really interesting piece -- keep at it and post more progress shots! :D

[natsumehack]

Sherlock Holmes said
Ok, you got the black out of the skin -- good. Now, this is where knowing color theory will help you out, as well as understanding how skin takes light. Firstly, you have to decide where your main light source is: do you want it to be coming from the viewer's perspective? Or do you want it to be the bright lights in the background? Once you decide that, the second thing you have to decide the temperature of your light source. Generally, if a light source is warm, then the shadows will be correspondingly cooler by comparison. (And vice versa if the light source is cool in tone, then the shadows will be warmer.) Definitely grab some reference to help you see how skin takes light in your chosen scenario!Definitely get some reference for the anatomy -- you're having some proportional issues. (Right now his head is almost the size of his entire torso, when from the top of his head to his chin should actually be roughly the distance from the top of his shoulder to the bottom of his pectorals.)Compositionally you've got some tangents that should be addressed:1.) His chin vs. the top rope of the ring. (And also the audience heads lining up directly under it. I'd shift them done some more just to give it a bit of space.) Also, his collarbone/top of his shoulders and the middle rope. (This one isn't as big, but it's still there.)2.) His mouth with the back edge in front of the distant audience.3.) The back of his body with the right edge of the composition. This is feeling a bit cramped -- I'd add a bit of room to the piece here or I'd shift him over so that he is partially cropped out if you have to keep the dimensions that tight.4.) The tops of his gloves (and his shorts) with the bottom of the composition. It feels like you're trying to hide the hands by having them down like that. I'd raise them up so that they're not cropped out, which will also help the narrative of your piece. (What's he doing? Is he getting ready to fight? Is it between rounds? Has he just won? Right now he'd not doing anything interesting -- by deciding what he's doing or is about to do, you can really help give the piece have a sense of life!) You have all that uninteresting/unimportant space painted for the floor of the ring -- bring those hands up and make use of the space!This has the chance to be a really interesting piece -- keep at it and post more progress shots! :D

What if the light source is all around? given it is a boxing ring?

[Guru]

Sherlock Holmes said
Ok, you got the black out of the skin -- good. Now, this is where knowing color theory will help you out, as well as understanding how skin takes light. Firstly, you have to decide where your main light source is: do you want it to be coming from the viewer's perspective? Or do you want it to be the bright lights in the background? Once you decide that, the second thing you have to decide the temperature of your light source. Generally, if a light source is warm, then the shadows will be correspondingly cooler by comparison. (And vice versa if the light source is cool in tone, then the shadows will be warmer.) Definitely grab some reference to help you see how skin takes light in your chosen scenario!Definitely get some reference for the anatomy -- you're having some proportional issues. (Right now his head is almost the size of his entire torso, when from the top of his head to his chin should actually be roughly the distance from the top of his shoulder to the bottom of his pectorals.)Compositionally you've got some tangents that should be addressed:1.) His chin vs. the top rope of the ring. (And also the audience heads lining up directly under it. I'd shift them done some more just to give it a bit of space.) Also, his collarbone/top of his shoulders and the middle rope. (This one isn't as big, but it's still there.)2.) His mouth with the back edge in front of the distant audience.3.) The back of his body with the right edge of the composition. This is feeling a bit cramped -- I'd add a bit of room to the piece here or I'd shift him over so that he is partially cropped out if you have to keep the dimensions that tight.4.) The tops of his gloves (and his shorts) with the bottom of the composition. It feels like you're trying to hide the hands by having them down like that. I'd raise them up so that they're not cropped out, which will also help the narrative of your piece. (What's he doing? Is he getting ready to fight? Is it between rounds? Has he just won? Right now he'd not doing anything interesting -- by deciding what he's doing or is about to do, you can really help give the piece have a sense of life!) You have all that uninteresting/unimportant space painted for the floor of the ring -- bring those hands up and make use of the space!This has the chance to be a really interesting piece -- keep at it and post more progress shots! :D

Thanks Holmes!

The lighting is something I've been trying to play around with a bit. I've been kind of torn on it, because like Nat said... light would usually in those circumstances be coming from all around, though I've been trying to put a primary focus on the back ones as well. Guess I really just need to decide. XD So hard finding good light references.. lol. Bringing his gloves up, has been a thought for me. I've considered it numerous times... I just haven't. O.o Same for the proportions... particularly his head. I guess I do too much second guessing myself. Which is of course, why I love a second pair of eyes! xD

As far as my tangents go... Yea, XD That's something I need to work on. I usually don't pay any mind to them.

[natsumehack]

Guru said
Thanks Holmes! The lighting is something I've been trying to play around with a bit. I've been kind of torn on it, because like Nat said... light would usually in those circumstances be coming from all around, though I've been trying to put a primary focus on the back ones as well. Guess I really just need to decide. XD So hard finding good light references.. lol. Bringing his gloves up, has been a thought for me. I've considered it numerous times... I just haven't. O.o Same for the proportions... particularly his head. I guess I do too much second guessing myself. Which is of course, why I love a second pair of eyes! xDAs far as my tangents go... Yea, XD That's something I need to work on. I usually don't pay any mind to them.

In the art class I was in we also talked about source of light, and I don't think anyone had every ask what if the source. is everywhere.