[OOC] accepting all challengers

[Vordak]

Well, i could argue about the effect on the net on Rauchnaut, as his body is completely cald not only in thick armor, but also a layer of insulation, plus, he actualy has no nervous system, similar to Meats Ghol, generating the electric impulses directly within muscle.

And i doubt that a drill is going to penetrate his armor fast enough. Unless Max can top the power of a Rausofss Mk 211, it won't pentrate in a single hit, and rotating blades, im afraid, wont help much against cermet composites, as they have abrasive proof properties similar to ceramics.

[drallinix]

He could always stab him In the face there aint no armor there.

[Schradinger]

Drall, I don't think he has a face. Just that wolf skull stuck on his head.

[drallinix]

well im assuming that if you take the skull out it will mess him up pretty good but then again I could be wrong.

[Schradinger]

It's not HIS skull, just a skull taken from a wolf and stuck on his head. As far as I know, his only vital organ is the orb thing in his lower neck and upper chest.

[drallinix]

man if ole max had that mace of Adrian's right about now hed be in business four hits and Rauchnaut would be done for

[Schradinger]

Except Rauchnaut isn't an angel or a holy warrior...

[drallinix]

but he is a demon its double damage for holy warriors and it banishes demons I just took it out for the one RP since all the damn bosses are demons

[Max Shadow]

as the net is energy based and designed to be more invasive than harmful the armour and insulation would only be a minor obstacle. mainly cos there would be weak points at the joints where the layers would have to be thinner to allow him to move. and it works on any type of energy to varying effects, and with nothing stating otherwise it can only be assumed that the magic devise running the body is exerting energy into the body to get it to move, blocking those signals and having the same effect.

as for the lance in places where the armour is weaker for movement it won't need as much force, and like a drill it will more dig it's way through what armour there is then the pointed tip would either pierce or slip between the tube like parts you said make up the muscles with the same small blades that can 'eat' through the armour shredding them. with essentially two turns to get through that armoring before your character can move again it's not hard to believe that it's possible.

and if more time is needed lith's ability can hold you in place by essentially growing a tree on around you, turning you into part of the root system, massive strength means little if you can't move your body to use it and with the after effect of the net it would gain me a minimum of another turn to drill into him.

[Schradinger]

Hold on Max, you said on the last page that the net intercepts the energy signals sent throughout the body, then said that Max's race was used for reference, which means the energy that it interferes with is specifically electrical in nature (neurological to be even more specific).

Even if that isn't what you meant, having a net that can trap and contain all forms of energy regardless of potency or type is very OP for this power level.

Also, massive strength means a lot if something is holding you down. It's massive speed that isn't going to help if you're immobilized.

[Max Shadow]

i said it would have different effects as it would be either more effective or less effective depending on the energy. and with using his race as reference i tried to say that it blocks the electrical energy and also his natural energy abilities. but even if it is mainly electrical based vordak said that the electricity is generated in the muscles which to the mindless energy in the net would be interpenetrated as signals and intercepted as it's generated.

and in a case where your entire body is completely restrained it's going to be a lot harder use the strength you have due to the increased resistance.

[Vordak]

But it is generated inside muscle, thus immediately triggering contraction. The net cannot destroy the eletric impulse before it appears, possibly letting a small amout reach muscle, allowing Rauchnaut to move in short jolts?

Morever, it seems that you don't quite understant the concept of nanotubes: they are literaly tubes composed of carbon atoms, and together they create microscopic fibers, packed into the form of muscle. Tightly bundled, you cant just slip between them, especialy after the drill will be slightly blunted by penetrating armor - they will act similar to a bulletproof vest, ableit the muscle strands are times stronger than kevlar, and thanks to the drill's circular motion, they will simply wrap around it and get it stuck while also covering the sharp edges.

[Schradinger]

So you're saying that it DOES work on all forms of energy to varying degrees?

And yes, it's going to be harder, but unless you can grow a 300 year old oak tree in less than five seconds (which would be OP), it's not going to be hard enough.

[QuietThinker]

First, why do the nanofibre's have to be stronger than Kevlar? Kevlar is already pretty darn strong, and thats not a special type of fibre. Its a layering of different materials together. Even if it's weaker than kevlar, it'd still be pretty darn strong for _any_ material.

Second, for the electricity to be generated in the muscles.. thats a little bit silly. For it to come from the main power source on the other hand, thats a bit better and makes more sense. Even for a magical entity.

Thirdly, for the net, lets say that it stops signals at their source. For a human, that would be around the spine and lower brain. For Vordak's character, that would be around it's power source. However, Vordak's power source doesn't send out little signals like a human would: it would send out fairly large amounts of electricity to make the fibred muscles move with any degree of force, much like a robot. I would say that the net may restrict the amount of force that it's muscles would be able to output, but not restrict it entirely as it isn't used to dampening signals of that strength.

So, what we have is a weakened Rauchnaut, but not a paralysed Rauchnaut.

Can everyone agree on that, if that is the only point in my list that you do agree on?

[Schradinger]

Carbon nanofibers have to be stronger than kevlar because they ARE stronger than kevlar. That's a property of the real life material. Vordak has even seriously nerfed their strength output too, as they have a potential contraction power 200x greater than human muscle. They're also extremely energy efficient.

[Vordak]

QuietThinker, the idea i had is Rauchnaut's "core" connecting him to the body via a magical aura channeled throught it (hence the ability to pinpoint dealt damage without actualy looking at the damaged area), allowing him to pump pure magic through the body, turning it into electricity upon reaching the muscle. Since the whole body is actualy connected to his magical aura, any sort of electrical conductor would be inferior, as severing it will interrupt the signal, whereas the magical aura can be used to flex muscle even if there is only a single string for it to go through, using ALL of Rauchnaut's body, even armor, as a conductor.

[QuietThinker]

Alright been reading up, and as cool as carbon nanofibres are, they aren't stretchy. That would mean that they are a rather bad choice for muscle structure if they are used alone. If anything that would mean that at each joint it would have something reeling in the fibres, and that would get them to move. Also carbon nanofibres are incredibly conductive, which would mean that these joints would have to be insulated if they were going to receive electrical signals without sending them throughout his entire body.

Now seeing as the details of how it moves by generating the signals in the joint that needs it have only come to light after his paralysis net has been deployed.. I think that it would only be fair if you let it take some effect. As I've said, it won't have the same signals as a nervous system because it is essentially a robot body. So, you could still say that it would only add resistance to how much power can be put into the motors reeling in the nanofibres to make the muscles move.

And although I will admit that nanofibres are freaking strong and would be almost immune to slashes.. they would be weak to stabs. With enough force, the blade would slide off of the fibres and go through the gaps.

If you don't agree with anything I've said.. fair enough. Just giving my views.

[Schradinger]

First off, nanofibers are extremely flexible and can expand and contract in the same way that normal muscles do. Secondly, they can be either conductors or insulators depending on their configuration.

[Derpestein]

Heylo~

Me again.

I'm thinking up a new character!

[QuietThinker]

Ah, my bad. Guess you know more about these things than me!
So they can be made to contract with an electric current?