[OOC] From Stardust, To Stardust

[WilsonTurner]

And if either of you even think it's remotely possible that there may be a small battle between yours and the Valkian, then do explain how it would appear- would it just be torn apart from the inside out, would it appear to be some kind of shockwave that erupts in front of it, and strikes it, or what?

Because, one of the tactics I may use against enemy ships is short-range FTL. Where, essentially the ship FTLs forward by predicting exact coordinates- and I mean EXACT- and then coming out close and behind. A viable tactic for the Explorer, since it uses short range swarming missiles, which can be countered as the range lengthens, and particle cannons that get weaker the farther they travel. If an Explorer were to engage one of your ships with its FTL-blocked, then it may try this new tactic and be utterly torn apart.

And more than that, anyone watching would see only a ship FTLing very close, and then being utterly and instantly destroyed by a massive surge of energy. That would be a GREAT factor in deciding treaties and the like- all I would know is that a ship got in close, and was instantly destroyed. That would be pretty intimidating.

[MrFoxNews]

Isotope said
The field imposes a nonreal restriction, so within the field (which permeates multiple dimensions) an apparent restriction is placed upon moving objects.So regardless of the laws a outside the field within the field a sort of light speed net exists that interacts with any object moving faster than light. The field then feeds the necessary energy to slow the apparent speed of that object to lightspeed, in almost every case this release of energy is large enough to destroy the object.So if you are shrinking the distance that would prove impossible within the "locked" or "enforced" laws of the field and as the object would move apparently faster than light against the "net".So the field negates tactical use of FTL within a battle and strategic use around some planets so an attack has to commence outside the field and fight in.

The warp isn't ftl it's more like a shortcut. The ship is still moving at the same speed but it's navigating a different dimension that has no law of physics.

A warp drive creates a portal to another dimension through which an object or being may enter. Aside from that the ship is still moving still a normal speed.

[Isotope]

Actually incorrect, Warp implies the warping of spacetime and is a real space drive

You mean hyperspace or a hyperspace drive.

The Field would still work however, as I said it "imposes" an artificial speed limit under the laws of it's parent dimension though it can permeate multiple dimensions. So a hyperspace window might have the same speed in that dimension, but its apparent speed is still faster than light in relation to the imposed laws of the field (note the laws of physics are not actually changing, the field is merely acting as if they were). So the effect is the same, the "lightspeed web" interacts with the object that is apparently moving faster than light from its reference frame and deposits the energy to bring it to lightspeed.

So say your dimension has a 1:2000 light years ratio, 1 lightyear there is 2000 lightyears here, as the field is projected from here you are apparently moving faster than light in relation to it.

[WilsonTurner]

Ok, instead of having a big long debate, let's just go with-

This breaks FTL- no worky in zone around it when the switch points at ON, nor can anything else that moves at slightly below lightspeed or more.

[Keyguyperson]

WilsonTurner said
Ok, instead of having a big long debate, let's just go with-This breaks FTL- no worky in zone around it when the switch points at ON, nor can anything else that moves at slightly below lightspeed or more.

This is probably the best choice.

[MrFoxNews]

Isotope said
Actually incorrect, Warp implies the warping of spacetime and is a real space driveYou man hyperspace or a hyperspace drive.The Field would still work however, as I said it "imposes" an artificial speed limit under the laws of it's parent dimension though it can permeate multiple dimensions. So a hyperspace window might have the same speed in that dimension, but its speed is still faster than light in relation to the imposed laws of the field (note the laws of physics are not actually changing, the field is merely acting as if they were). So the effect is the same, the "lightspeed web" interacts with the object that is apparently moving faster than light from its reference frame and deposits the energy to bring it to lightspeed.So say your dimension has a 1:2000 light years ratio, 1 lightyear there is 2000 lightyears here, as the field is projected from here you are apparently moving faster than light in relation to it.

I'd first like to say I'm agreeing with Wilson and key and this will affect my ships.

But I would like to point out that there are several different drives in this rp that have all been dubbed "warp" drive but do different things.

The warp is am astral plain upon with the forces of Chaos including there gods reside.

Key and myself have been talking extensively about this rps lore and I think we may need to post some of it to clear things up.

[TehAlphaGamer]

Because there seems to be difficulty in remembering the names of Sazkarjhit objects, let's get basics out so people remember:

Name: Sazkarjhia
Demonym: Sazkarjhit
Religion: Zarwaunism
Deities Referred to in Zarwaunism:
Zarwaun - Supreme Being, Father of The Universe -- Grand Vessel Urwan Garama'kum
Mazdabar - Belligerent Being, Father of the Sword, Harbinger of War -- Honorable Vessel of Mazdabar Bortag Pumar'kum
Markura - Matriarchal Being, Mother of Nature and Maternity -- Honorable Vessel of Markura Linya Merana'bum
Oparas - Fortunate Being, Mother of Fortune and Misfortune -- Honorable Vessel of Oparas Raskara Ymar'gum
Markarapas - Commercial Being, Mother of the Coin and Commerce -- Honorable Vessel of Markarapas Ararin Yarin'tum
Yuturata - Working Being, Father of the Forge and Flame -- Honorable Vessel of Yuturata Burek Orak'dum

Lots of fancy words I know, but just there for reference

[Monkeypants]

One comment regarding chaos warp. I completely understand what you mean and that device wouldn't affect the warp proper but once that extra dimensional energy interacts with real space, its treated like any other dimension etc.

Simple version, anything that effects the properties of real space, be it any dimensions or"realspace" ftl will not function. With that said, hau use waygates pretty often so seeing as the field would effect that travel as well, those gates are usually placed far from a population center and possess their own hammer systems.

These jammers will have to be deactivated long enough to send a ship through then reactivated, a process that can take only seconds. And please know that those waygates are never weakly defended , so magically slipping forces in will meet resistance

Pretty much a no matter who you are, you can't just teleport, wormhole, dimension/chaos rift or fly at or above faster than light speed when in the effective range of an active device. Fair?

[WilsonTurner]

Perhaps to even it out is that the device has a great deal of heat output, radiation output, something, that forces it to have it's own 'blister' on the hull so that it can efficiently remove heat from the vessel, and in the case of overheat, it won't seriously damage the ship. This way, if you trap an enemy ship, they can target that device and destroy it, without having to just blow up your ship. Then they can flee.

[Isotope]

"And if either of you even think it's remotely possible that there may be a small battle between yours and the Valkian, then do explain how it would appear- would it just be torn apart from the inside out, would it appear to be some kind of shockwave that erupts in front of it, and strikes it, or what?"

No idea on if we fight, but my system (not m's) would appear to be an enormous nuclear reaction starting from the front of the ship where the atoms of the vessel begin to release all their mass energy to counteract either apparent speed. So imagine a massive explosion working its way through the ship from front to back, likely would not get that far since the energy would be imparted only about a quarter of the way through the ship but by that point the explosion would have left little there.

[WilsonTurner]

I see, I see.

[Monkeypants]

Mine just uses counter force to halt a ship coming in at FTL speed and depending on speed and mass, will smash the ship like pop can. This is due to the back end of the vessel not stopping at the same time as the front.

[Isotope]

WilsonTurner said
I see, I see.

Be aware though, this is a HUGE explosion, the radius would engulf the whole ship, just the reaction fueling it would be confined to the front quarter.

So realistically you would just see a giant explosion, nothing beyond that.

[WilsonTurner]

Isotope said
Be aware though, this is a HUGE explosion, the radius would engulf the whole ship, just the reaction fueling it would be confined to the front quarter.So realistically you would just see a giant explosion, nothing beyond that.

No, not a "HUGE" explosion. That'd be unfair- attaching FTL drives to a simple drone, and then warping it into coordinates near an enemy ship would do far too much damage. I think Monkeypants has a better idea- the result of that woul be debris flying off at high speeds in a single general direction, from what's essentially directional instant compression and implosion, which will then react to the force hitting the front stuff, and essentially just turning into debris.

KeyGuy's FTL, if fired correctly, or rather, incorrectly enough, could destory the system behind it. Obviously, this is very unfair. I believe he edited that bit out.

[Monkeypants]

So now that the whole speed thing is behind us, gotta think of where to go from here. I've got some ideas bouncing around but haven't decided yet. Figure if I start a plot line, I want to really feel the story, ya know?

Wont take me too long to pick.

[WilsonTurner]

Valkians could use more plot involvement. All they've interacted with is with the Nouvellians; not enough trust of those around them in orbit around Nouvelle.

[Monkeypants]

From what I can tell, the valks are super small. Just from your posts (as valks) and the info on the wiki. You'd be easy prey for hau propagandists. :)

[WilsonTurner]

They are really small. I meant for them to be smaller than everyone, but then it's like everyone jumped forward. Instead of everyone having a hundred or two ships, max, it all jumped into the thousands.

I'm going to post them going into military production, and quickly expand so they can get everything they need from neighboring systems.

[Apollo26]

Im happy with my 50 ships, biggest fleet in Septonian history!!!

[Keyguyperson]

WilsonTurner said
No, not a "HUGE" explosion. That'd be unfair- attaching FTL drives to a simple drone, and then warping it into coordinates near an enemy ship would do far too much damage. I think Monkeypants has a better idea- the result of that woul be debris flying off at high speeds in a single general direction, from what's essentially directional instant compression and implosion, which will then react to the force hitting the front stuff, and essentially just turning into debris. KeyGuy's FTL, if fired correctly, or rather, incorrectly enough, could destory the system behind it. Obviously, this is very unfair. I believe he edited that bit out.

It's still totally possible, it's just that destroying a system is so absolutely terrible that the humans believe it would make it impossible for them to ever be redeemed. So they'll never do that. even if I make them into a proud warrior race or something, there'll be something there to prevent using the warp drive like that. Of course, if, let's say, terrorists got a hold of one of the interstellar ships...

And that's why all of your naval officers should be black belts in three different martial arts, as well as plasma saber dueling champions.

Apollo26 said
Im happy with my 50 ships, biggest fleet in Septonian history!!!

The funny thing is that the Terrans are in awe of your tactile holographic displays.