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I didn't like it. Really didn't like it. It confirmed a lot of the bad feelings I was starting to get last week and amplified them.
The finale gave no REAL resolution to the events of the last three volumes (seriously, not even a scene detailing what happened to the individual members of CMEN? Roman confirmed dead in a livestream? What about Raven? What about Ozpin? What about Ironwood - communications or not, why hasn't he just flown back to Atlas and explained the situation by now? Clearly the Schnees can still traverse kingdoms, you're telling me fucking Ironwood can't? Blake just RAN THE FUCK OFF?) and instead offered a plethora of new shit for us to care about. (Taiyang was cool but needed to look like less of a beta shithead around Qrow, and mentioning silver eyes offhand one time doesn't count as foreshadowing when you've built up the Maidens as the super world-breaking power of choice for the back half of the volume and then suddenly blow everything the fuck out with Ruby's silver eyes. Why would they trigger for Pyrrha's death and not for Penny? Where the hell was Jen Taylor's character standing? What was the point of invalidating all that time we spent waiting for Cinder's plan and compounding the fact that we don't even know if she failed or not?)
It's not the way to end a season, especially when you've rushed most of three years of plot into one volume to begin with and we expect real answers and endings for some of the characters after all this time.
The finale gave no REAL resolution to the events of the last three volumes (seriously, not even a scene detailing what happened to the individual members of CMEN? Roman confirmed dead in a livestream? What about Raven? What about Ozpin? What about Ironwood - communications or not, why hasn't he just flown back to Atlas and explained the situation by now? Clearly the Schnees can still traverse kingdoms, you're telling me fucking Ironwood can't? Blake just RAN THE FUCK OFF?) and instead offered a plethora of new shit for us to care about. (Taiyang was cool but needed to look like less of a beta shithead around Qrow, and mentioning silver eyes offhand one time doesn't count as foreshadowing when you've built up the Maidens as the super world-breaking power of choice for the back half of the volume and then suddenly blow everything the fuck out with Ruby's silver eyes. Why would they trigger for Pyrrha's death and not for Penny? Where the hell was Jen Taylor's character standing? What was the point of invalidating all that time we spent waiting for Cinder's plan and compounding the fact that we don't even know if she failed or not?)
It's not the way to end a season, especially when you've rushed most of three years of plot into one volume to begin with and we expect real answers and endings for some of the characters after all this time.
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I'm not going to click on a hider that says spoilers. I'm not going to click on a hider that says spoilers.
Edit: Also, I just rewatched the last episode because I don't see what everyone means by Adam sounding creepy and I still don't see it. Seriously, I've met people in real life who are far creepier than this guy, he doesn't even compare to some of the creepiest characters I've seen in fiction like Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter. Adam just sounds to me like another bad guy threatening a protagonist that he's going to make their life a living Hell.
Edit: Also, I just rewatched the last episode because I don't see what everyone means by Adam sounding creepy and I still don't see it. Seriously, I've met people in real life who are far creepier than this guy, he doesn't even compare to some of the creepiest characters I've seen in fiction like Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter. Adam just sounds to me like another bad guy threatening a protagonist that he's going to make their life a living Hell.
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I didn't like it. Really didn't like it. It confirmed a lot of the bad feelings I was starting to get last week and amplified them.
The finale gave no REAL resolution to the events of the last three volumes (seriously, not even a scene detailing what happened to the individual members of CMEN? Roman confirmed dead in a livestream? What about Raven? What about Ozpin? What about Ironwood - communications or not, why hasn't he just flown back to Atlas and explained the situation by now? Clearly the Schnees can still traverse kingdoms, you're telling me fucking Ironwood can't? Blake just RAN THE FUCK OFF?) and instead offered a plethora of new shit for us to care about. (Taiyang was cool but needed to look like less of a beta shithead around Qrow, and mentioning silver eyes offhand one time doesn't count as foreshadowing when you've built up the Maidens as the super world-breaking power of choice for the back half of the volume and then suddenly blow everything the fuck out with Ruby's silver eyes. Why would they trigger for Pyrrha's death and not for Penny? Where the hell was Jen Taylor's character standing? What was the point of invalidating all that time we spent waiting for Cinder's plan and compounding the fact that we don't even know if she failed or not?)
It's not the way to end a season, especially when you've rushed most of three years of plot into one volume to begin with and we expect real answers and endings for some of the characters after all this time.
The entire point was to leave us with questions. This isn't supposed to be resolved. It may not look like a cohesive story but from a human stand point all of it makes sense. A lot of the questions you have we're not supposed to know. This is a continuing story not something to be wrapped up each volume and start anew in the next one. It's supposed to be a very big and very long journey not a bunch of small story arcs.
Raven said she wouldn't come for Yang again.
The last time we saw Ironwood he was looking injured and intent on finding his Grimm infested ship, we can likely assume he's missing and even if he's not let's say you're Ironwood. You have a giant army that from all outward appearances attacks the school of someone you've had major disagreements with for a good long while is anyone going to believe that your entire army was hijacked by four random people no one has ever heard of? No, it's going to sound like an excuse or a cover up and a pretty lame one at that, made worse by the fact that he can't talk at all about the Maiden's Power.
Think of it from Blake's point of view. To her this is entirely her fault. Maybe not true in the strictest sense but in her mind the fact that Adam and the White Fang were involved with the plan was a direct result of her leaving Adam. To her maybe if she'd stayed with the White Fang she might have been about to extradite them from Cinder's schemes or keep Adam on a less murderous path. Can you image sticking around your friends and loved ones knowing in your heart that all the suffering they're going through is your fault and believing that every time they look at you they think as badly of you as you do of yourself. Blake would believe that leaving them would be the best way to keep them safe from her and from Adam as his threat to "Destroy everything she loves" still stands.
The exact point of building up the Maiden's Power as world breaking was to introduced the Silver Eyed Warriors. It was an emphasis on the kind of power that RWBY truly possesses if she can freeze an Alpha Grimm and banish one of the four Maidens. The fact was that while Penny's death may have been a devastating shock for Ruby at the time of Penny's death things weren't that bad. Penny was dead sure and Grimm were descending on the school but their was still hope of winning. At the time when Ruby saw Pyrrha die that hope was gone and what's more their was a single target that Ruby could focus on as the cause of all of the death and destruction that had happened: Cinder. It wasn't just about Pyrrha's death but about Yang's lost arm, Blake and everyone else's injuries, the destruction of the school, the Grimm terrorizing the place. All that grief caught in one place, the lynchpin for Ruby's breaking point was seeing the strongest Huntress of their year and a good friend mercilessly gunned down.
Cinder's plan was obviously a major success. Think about it, she turned Atlas' army on Vale, brought the White Fang to Beacon, and set Grimm on the place. From an outside standpoint it would appear that Atlas was working with the White Fang to destroy Beacon and Vale. The result of that on the people's of the kingdom would be massive distrust for one another and extreme disunity. Now if any one Kingdom is attacked by Cinder or someone else the other Kingdom's will be hesitant to come to their aid fearing a trap. Essentially it disunified the four kindoms and planted the seeds from them to turn on each other. That was what the ending monologue was explaining.
Some of the question you are have valid (if a bit naive) which is the point. This isn't meant to be wrapped up in a nice neat bow. It's meant to make you come back for more. If everything got resolved nice and clean with some obvious path for the heroes to follow next it wouldn't be much of a story and it wouldn't be much like real life where nothing is ever clean.
The only real question we should be asking ourselves is, who the fuck is this:
Raven said she wouldn't come for Yang again.
The last time we saw Ironwood he was looking injured and intent on finding his Grimm infested ship, we can likely assume he's missing and even if he's not let's say you're Ironwood. You have a giant army that from all outward appearances attacks the school of someone you've had major disagreements with for a good long while is anyone going to believe that your entire army was hijacked by four random people no one has ever heard of? No, it's going to sound like an excuse or a cover up and a pretty lame one at that, made worse by the fact that he can't talk at all about the Maiden's Power.
Think of it from Blake's point of view. To her this is entirely her fault. Maybe not true in the strictest sense but in her mind the fact that Adam and the White Fang were involved with the plan was a direct result of her leaving Adam. To her maybe if she'd stayed with the White Fang she might have been about to extradite them from Cinder's schemes or keep Adam on a less murderous path. Can you image sticking around your friends and loved ones knowing in your heart that all the suffering they're going through is your fault and believing that every time they look at you they think as badly of you as you do of yourself. Blake would believe that leaving them would be the best way to keep them safe from her and from Adam as his threat to "Destroy everything she loves" still stands.
The exact point of building up the Maiden's Power as world breaking was to introduced the Silver Eyed Warriors. It was an emphasis on the kind of power that RWBY truly possesses if she can freeze an Alpha Grimm and banish one of the four Maidens. The fact was that while Penny's death may have been a devastating shock for Ruby at the time of Penny's death things weren't that bad. Penny was dead sure and Grimm were descending on the school but their was still hope of winning. At the time when Ruby saw Pyrrha die that hope was gone and what's more their was a single target that Ruby could focus on as the cause of all of the death and destruction that had happened: Cinder. It wasn't just about Pyrrha's death but about Yang's lost arm, Blake and everyone else's injuries, the destruction of the school, the Grimm terrorizing the place. All that grief caught in one place, the lynchpin for Ruby's breaking point was seeing the strongest Huntress of their year and a good friend mercilessly gunned down.
Cinder's plan was obviously a major success. Think about it, she turned Atlas' army on Vale, brought the White Fang to Beacon, and set Grimm on the place. From an outside standpoint it would appear that Atlas was working with the White Fang to destroy Beacon and Vale. The result of that on the people's of the kingdom would be massive distrust for one another and extreme disunity. Now if any one Kingdom is attacked by Cinder or someone else the other Kingdom's will be hesitant to come to their aid fearing a trap. Essentially it disunified the four kindoms and planted the seeds from them to turn on each other. That was what the ending monologue was explaining.
Some of the question you are have valid (if a bit naive) which is the point. This isn't meant to be wrapped up in a nice neat bow. It's meant to make you come back for more. If everything got resolved nice and clean with some obvious path for the heroes to follow next it wouldn't be much of a story and it wouldn't be much like real life where nothing is ever clean.
The only real question we should be asking ourselves is, who the fuck is this:
I'm not going to click on a hider that says spoilers. I'm not going to click on a hider that says spoilers.
Edit: Also, I just rewatched the last episode because I don't see what everyone means by Adam sounding creepy and I still don't see it. Seriously, I've met people in real life who are far creepier than this guy, he doesn't even compare to some of the creepiest characters I've seen in fiction like Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter. Adam just sounds to me like another bad guy threatening a protagonist that he's going to make their life a living Hell.
He basically is. This must be taken in the context of the fact that he's Blake's ex-boyfriend and someone she trusted very very much. The creepy part is the fact that their relationship devolved to the point where he wants to see her suffer. Imagine someone you trust a lot. A friend from high school that you've known for years, now imagine that they're saying this stuff. The creepy part isn't in what he's saying, what he's saying is fairly generic bad guy talk. The creepy part comes in his connection to Blake.
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I couldn't even get a sponsorship to watch the episode because I don't have a credit card xD
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<Snipped quote by Plank Sinatra>The entire point was to leave us with questions. This isn't supposed to be resolved. It may not look like a cohesive story but from a human stand point all of it makes sense. A lot of the questions you have we're not supposed to know. This is a continuing story not something to be wrapped up each volume and start anew in the next one. It's supposed to be a very big and very long journey not a bunch of small story arcs.
Raven said she wouldn't come for Yang again.
The last time we saw Ironwood he was looking injured and intent on finding his Grimm infested ship, we can likely assume he's missing and even if he's not let's say you're Ironwood. You have a giant army that from all outward appearances attacks the school of someone you've had major disagreements with for a good long while is anyone going to believe that your entire army was hijacked by four random people no one has ever heard of? No, it's going to sound like an excuse or a cover up and a pretty lame one at that, made worse by the fact that he can't talk at all about the Maiden's Power.
Think of it from Blake's point of view. To her this is entirely her fault. Maybe not true in the strictest sense but in her mind the fact that Adam and the White Fang were involved with the plan was a direct result of her leaving Adam. To her maybe if she'd stayed with the White Fang she might have been about to extradite them from Cinder's schemes or keep Adam on a less murderous path. Can you image sticking around your friends and loved ones knowing in your heart that all the suffering they're going through is your fault and believing that every time they look at you they think as badly of you as you do of yourself. Blake would believe that leaving them would be the best way to keep them safe from her and from Adam as his threat to "Destroy everything she loves" still stands.
The exact point of building up the Maiden's Power as world breaking was to introduced the Silver Eyed Warriors. It was an emphasis on the kind of power that RWBY truly possesses if she can freeze an Alpha Grimm and banish one of the four Maidens. The fact was that while Penny's death may have been a devastating shock for Ruby at the time of Penny's death things weren't that bad. Penny was dead sure and Grimm were descending on the school but their was still hope of winning. At the time when Ruby saw Pyrrha die that hope was gone and what's more their was a single target that Ruby could focus on as the cause of all of the death and destruction that had happened: Cinder. It wasn't just about Pyrrha's death but about Yang's lost arm, Blake and everyone else's injuries, the destruction of the school, the Grimm terrorizing the place. All that grief caught in one place, the lynchpin for Ruby's breaking point was seeing the strongest Huntress of their year and a good friend mercilessly gunned down.
Cinder's plan was obviously a major success. Think about it, she turned Atlas' army on Vale, brought the White Fang to Beacon, and set Grimm on the place. From an outside standpoint it would appear that Atlas was working with the White Fang to destroy Beacon and Vale. The result of that on the people's of the kingdom would be massive distrust for one another and extreme disunity. Now if any one Kingdom is attacked by Cinder or someone else the other Kingdom's will be hesitant to come to their aid fearing a trap. Essentially it disunified the four kindoms and planted the seeds from them to turn on each other. That was what the ending monologue was explaining.
Some of the question you are have valid (if a bit naive) which is the point. This isn't meant to be wrapped up in a nice neat bow. It's meant to make you come back for more. If everything got resolved nice and clean with some obvious path for the heroes to follow next it wouldn't be much of a story and it wouldn't be much like real life where nothing is ever clean.
The only real question we should be asking ourselves is, who the fuck is this:
<Snipped quote by Guess Who>
He basically is. This must be taken in the context of the fact that he's Blake's ex-boyfriend and someone she trusted very very much. The creepy part is the fact that their relationship devolved to the point where he wants to see her suffer. Imagine someone you trust a lot. A friend from high school that you've known for years, now imagine that they're saying this stuff. The creepy part isn't in what he's saying, what he's saying is fairly generic bad guy talk. The creepy part comes in his connection to Blake.
I guess I see what you mean.
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There's also the fact that, to be quite honest, Adam's interactions with Blake came off rape-y as fuck. Pardon the bluntness.
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I can both see Adam as a creepy lover and not a creepy lover, if that makes sense.
Without a doubt dudes fucked up in the head, regardless of his relationship with Blake. That alone at least qualifies him as creepy, since he is kinda ya know, leader of a terrorist organization who wants to destroy all of humanity. Normally that's something some people can get behind on but more often than not when you want to commit genocide against any race, no matter the quality of the race in question, you're crazy by default. The fact he calls Blake "My love" and "Darling" just goes to show how attached to his own insane mentality is. Perhaps as far as he knows, Blake loved the White Fang and what it represented, and he felt the same. But the reality of the fact was that Blake wanted something much more, how to say, innocent, and that didn't line up with what Adam wanted.
But frankly I don't give a damn about Adam as a creepy lover or what not. I still think it was a cheap angle to play him as instead of say, a maniacal terrorist leader who simply felt betrayed that one of his closest subordinates cut and ran instead of sticking with him to the end. That is to say, they played up the (implied) shipping between him and Blake too much.
Without a doubt dudes fucked up in the head, regardless of his relationship with Blake. That alone at least qualifies him as creepy, since he is kinda ya know, leader of a terrorist organization who wants to destroy all of humanity. Normally that's something some people can get behind on but more often than not when you want to commit genocide against any race, no matter the quality of the race in question, you're crazy by default. The fact he calls Blake "My love" and "Darling" just goes to show how attached to his own insane mentality is. Perhaps as far as he knows, Blake loved the White Fang and what it represented, and he felt the same. But the reality of the fact was that Blake wanted something much more, how to say, innocent, and that didn't line up with what Adam wanted.
But frankly I don't give a damn about Adam as a creepy lover or what not. I still think it was a cheap angle to play him as instead of say, a maniacal terrorist leader who simply felt betrayed that one of his closest subordinates cut and ran instead of sticking with him to the end. That is to say, they played up the (implied) shipping between him and Blake too much.
I would have much preferred if Adam treated Blake more like how Yang thought of her after Blake ran: contempt and apathy. Sometimes tells me that Adam still feels some level of want from Blake, hence why he's going to try to ruin her life. But again, that just feels cheap and creepy. If they depicted Adam as more of an "You betrayed everyone's trust and I hate you" and less "You belong to me and shouldn't have ran away", I would have liked him more as a villain.
I didn't like it. Really didn't like it. It confirmed a lot of the bad feelings I was starting to get last week and amplified them.
The finale gave no REAL resolution to the events of the last three volumes (seriously, not even a scene detailing what happened to the individual members of CMEN? Roman confirmed dead in a livestream? What about Raven? What about Ozpin? What about Ironwood - communications or not, why hasn't he just flown back to Atlas and explained the situation by now? Clearly the Schnees can still traverse kingdoms, you're telling me fucking Ironwood can't? Blake just RAN THE FUCK OFF?) and instead offered a plethora of new shit for us to care about. (Taiyang was cool but needed to look like less of a beta shithead around Qrow, and mentioning silver eyes offhand one time doesn't count as foreshadowing when you've built up the Maidens as the super world-breaking power of choice for the back half of the volume and then suddenly blow everything the fuck out with Ruby's silver eyes. Why would they trigger for Pyrrha's death and not for Penny? Where the hell was Jen Taylor's character standing? What was the point of invalidating all that time we spent waiting for Cinder's plan and compounding the fact that we don't even know if she failed or not?)
It's not the way to end a season, especially when you've rushed most of three years of plot into one volume to begin with and we expect real answers and endings for some of the characters after all this time.
Yeah, this was an obvious sequel bait that left a whole lot of questions unanswered. While it's obvious that a fourth season is suppose to come out and help deal with some of them, this leaves me less "wanting more" and more "unsatisfied with my meal".
What I hate more is just how vague everyone is about the silver eyes thing. Like fuck, everyone knows that Ruby has some special powers. Stop fucking treating her like a kid and just tell it to her straight. "Ruby you have the powers of the Winter Maiden, and now we're going to need you to fix this mess Cinder made." I'm sure Ruby will be far less hesitant to learn and use her powers than Pyrrha was, bless her soul. She tried, she really did, but your life was sealed the moment you decided to be the best thing to ever happen to Jaune.
Speaking of Jaune, I'm actually rather glad about how he was shown in this episode. I know a lot of folks hate him for being essentially Main Protag #2, but I like him because I can relate to him (Which is likely another reason everyone hates him). As far as skills and aspirations go, fo sho I want to be a badass hunter, and hell yeah I have absolutely no idea how to actually go about that. I'm not exactly a natural or trained warrior, just some guy with a sword and shield. I do hope he doesn't end up with some sort of BS semblance that would allow him to fix all the crap that happened (Everyone says he has healing powers, so I'm sure it won't be too much of a stretch to think that he could possible raise the dead if he gave it his all) to keep him real. And I could feel the anger he had when Pyrrha forced him into a locker. All that training, all the things he wanted to do with Pyrrha, for Pyrrha, and now she's gone. Though I'm at an impasse of wondering if it's okay for him to get over Pyrrha's death, or if he should spend the next few episodes angsting about it. Either way everyone will still give him shit about it, but he's got my support regardless.
Pyrrha went out like a boss. Sure we all knew she wasn't going to win, and honestly I really did question why she didn't listen to Jaune and just went to get help like she was suppose to (She might have been too late, but Ruby and Weiss were on the way. They may not have been Glynda, Crow, or Ironwood, but they were the best they got), but she gave Cinder a run for her money. Also she got shot in the Achilles Heel and sure enough, it was shortly followed by her death. At least she showed Jaune her feelings for him right before she died, even if it was basically the last nail in her coffin.
Don't really got much to say about Tai. he looks scruffy. I wonder what his weapon is?
Yang. Damn. It's hard to imagine Miss Fuck-yo-up to be down in the dumps like that. Even when she got her ass handed to her by Neo she was still itching and ready to go. But it's been a traumatic few days for her. First she gets defamed on national TV, then she gets her arm cut off by her girlfriend's ex boyfriend, than her girlfriend fucking runs off again for who-knows-why. If she had the other one she'd throw her arms into the air and "Fuck this shit" as she did. I do hope that maybe Ironwood stops by and gives her some peptalk/robot arm. Maybe even one of Penny's?
Speaking of Penny, while beacon is certainly fucked up, I do hope they manage to get her parts back and she isn't out of the series yet. Of all the people who got killed, I really want my little rowbit. Though I have two theories about how she might make an appearance in season four: she is either used as spare parts for Yang, or she gets rebuilt and used as a new body for Pyrrha, with their souls sorta fused together to be with the people they love the most, and thus make a OTT (OTO?) of Rubyx(PennyxPyrrha)xJaune. but enough shipping talk.
Dammit Blake. Why you gotta keep doing this? I really hope she isn't just running away from her problems again and is actually trying to do something she otherwise couldn't with the others. I'm kinda getting a "Berserker Gut's during his Black Swordsman days" feeling where she goes about killing off the White Fang or some such like so many RWBY Faunas OC's does nowadays. Which I'm pretty guilty of myself, to be honest. Though another sneaking feeling tells me that she's going to meet and train with Yang's mom. But that's just crazy talk.
Weiss. What the hell is going on with Weiss? I mean, as far as Team RWBY goes, she left fairly unscathed physically, though emotionally I'm sure she has issues too. I dunno what to think about papa Schnee taking her back home. On one hand Weiss is a strong independent huntress woman who don't need no daddy. But then again Beacon is pretty fucked up, so maybe she figured she could at least amass a force in Atlas to help deal with it. This time with actual hunters and not robots. Still, I'm surprised to see her go with her father so easily. maybe we'll get to see more about why she did it next season, if it ever gets to that.
As for Ruby's silver eyes things, me's a thinking that Ruby is actually the Winter Maiden. Yeah, pretty confusing too, what with her mum being the Winter maiden called Summer, but destiny is a fickle bitch like that. That's just a theory of course and I have no idea what the fuck is happening to Ruby, and I can't say i entirely like it. I never had a problem with Ruby before and I even found Crescent Rose, despite the potential edge factor it could have had, to be much more delightful as a character than some of the more edgy, black, red, and angst all over I was afraid she might have been. But hearing that she might have some super secret power in her bloodline makes me think "Whelp now she gets a convenient OP power to remain competitive instead of say, figuring out what she can do with super speed". I also do feel it's kinda been ass-pulled even if it was referenced way back in the beginning, as you said Plank, since there's literally no build up about it beyond "Hey I think you have your mother's eyes" from Ozzy.
Whew this rant is taking up a lot of energy. I'll continue later.
What I hate more is just how vague everyone is about the silver eyes thing. Like fuck, everyone knows that Ruby has some special powers. Stop fucking treating her like a kid and just tell it to her straight. "Ruby you have the powers of the Winter Maiden, and now we're going to need you to fix this mess Cinder made." I'm sure Ruby will be far less hesitant to learn and use her powers than Pyrrha was, bless her soul. She tried, she really did, but your life was sealed the moment you decided to be the best thing to ever happen to Jaune.
Speaking of Jaune, I'm actually rather glad about how he was shown in this episode. I know a lot of folks hate him for being essentially Main Protag #2, but I like him because I can relate to him (Which is likely another reason everyone hates him). As far as skills and aspirations go, fo sho I want to be a badass hunter, and hell yeah I have absolutely no idea how to actually go about that. I'm not exactly a natural or trained warrior, just some guy with a sword and shield. I do hope he doesn't end up with some sort of BS semblance that would allow him to fix all the crap that happened (Everyone says he has healing powers, so I'm sure it won't be too much of a stretch to think that he could possible raise the dead if he gave it his all) to keep him real. And I could feel the anger he had when Pyrrha forced him into a locker. All that training, all the things he wanted to do with Pyrrha, for Pyrrha, and now she's gone. Though I'm at an impasse of wondering if it's okay for him to get over Pyrrha's death, or if he should spend the next few episodes angsting about it. Either way everyone will still give him shit about it, but he's got my support regardless.
Pyrrha went out like a boss. Sure we all knew she wasn't going to win, and honestly I really did question why she didn't listen to Jaune and just went to get help like she was suppose to (She might have been too late, but Ruby and Weiss were on the way. They may not have been Glynda, Crow, or Ironwood, but they were the best they got), but she gave Cinder a run for her money. Also she got shot in the Achilles Heel and sure enough, it was shortly followed by her death. At least she showed Jaune her feelings for him right before she died, even if it was basically the last nail in her coffin.
Don't really got much to say about Tai. he looks scruffy. I wonder what his weapon is?
Yang. Damn. It's hard to imagine Miss Fuck-yo-up to be down in the dumps like that. Even when she got her ass handed to her by Neo she was still itching and ready to go. But it's been a traumatic few days for her. First she gets defamed on national TV, then she gets her arm cut off by her girlfriend's ex boyfriend, than her girlfriend fucking runs off again for who-knows-why. If she had the other one she'd throw her arms into the air and "Fuck this shit" as she did. I do hope that maybe Ironwood stops by and gives her some peptalk/robot arm. Maybe even one of Penny's?
Speaking of Penny, while beacon is certainly fucked up, I do hope they manage to get her parts back and she isn't out of the series yet. Of all the people who got killed, I really want my little rowbit. Though I have two theories about how she might make an appearance in season four: she is either used as spare parts for Yang, or she gets rebuilt and used as a new body for Pyrrha, with their souls sorta fused together to be with the people they love the most, and thus make a OTT (OTO?) of Rubyx(PennyxPyrrha)xJaune. but enough shipping talk.
Dammit Blake. Why you gotta keep doing this? I really hope she isn't just running away from her problems again and is actually trying to do something she otherwise couldn't with the others. I'm kinda getting a "Berserker Gut's during his Black Swordsman days" feeling where she goes about killing off the White Fang or some such like so many RWBY Faunas OC's does nowadays. Which I'm pretty guilty of myself, to be honest. Though another sneaking feeling tells me that she's going to meet and train with Yang's mom. But that's just crazy talk.
Weiss. What the hell is going on with Weiss? I mean, as far as Team RWBY goes, she left fairly unscathed physically, though emotionally I'm sure she has issues too. I dunno what to think about papa Schnee taking her back home. On one hand Weiss is a strong independent huntress woman who don't need no daddy. But then again Beacon is pretty fucked up, so maybe she figured she could at least amass a force in Atlas to help deal with it. This time with actual hunters and not robots. Still, I'm surprised to see her go with her father so easily. maybe we'll get to see more about why she did it next season, if it ever gets to that.
As for Ruby's silver eyes things, me's a thinking that Ruby is actually the Winter Maiden. Yeah, pretty confusing too, what with her mum being the Winter maiden called Summer, but destiny is a fickle bitch like that. That's just a theory of course and I have no idea what the fuck is happening to Ruby, and I can't say i entirely like it. I never had a problem with Ruby before and I even found Crescent Rose, despite the potential edge factor it could have had, to be much more delightful as a character than some of the more edgy, black, red, and angst all over I was afraid she might have been. But hearing that she might have some super secret power in her bloodline makes me think "Whelp now she gets a convenient OP power to remain competitive instead of say, figuring out what she can do with super speed". I also do feel it's kinda been ass-pulled even if it was referenced way back in the beginning, as you said Plank, since there's literally no build up about it beyond "Hey I think you have your mother's eyes" from Ozzy.
Whew this rant is taking up a lot of energy. I'll continue later.
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There's also the fact that, to be quite honest, Adam's interactions with Blake came off rape-y as fuck. Pardon the bluntness.
Made a hundred times worse by the fact that they used to date.
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You're right. This is supposed to be a long and cohesive story, but it's been confirmed by M&K that these three volumes are supposed to comprise what would be, in a 23/24 episode anime, a full season. Looking at this through the lens of a season finale, it's infuckingcomplete. If Breach wrapped things up all at once and is considered a bad season finale for it, then why is wrapping up literally nothing and just putting more pressure on the spine of the plot any better?
That doesn't change the fact that she's a loose thread. Her impact on the plot was negligible given that it doesn't seem like Yang is going to be hunting for her while moping in bed and missing an arm.
I'll grant you Ironwood, and that he has a lot to take care of on his plate right now, but the fact that we know more about Papa Schnee's whereabouts than the man who runs Atlas and is part of the Ozlluminati is just more proof that things needed to be tied up on more fronts.
In just last week's episode, she talked about how "she wasn't running." Blake owning up to her problems and believing in the ability of herself and her friends to take care of each other has been pretty much all that keeps her character going since she first met Sun. It makes sense for her character to run (I personally think she's a total coward when push comes to shove) but it would have made more sense to do it when the going is rough next volume, as opposed to her scampering off while her teammates all lay injured.
Playing Jenga with a series of increasingly vaguely-defined superpowers in a universe where more often than not Semblances are OP to begin with is not the way to properly reestablish your main characters as badasses. Ruby couldn't even beat Roman, Neo, or Mercury head on over the course of the past few weeks, but when they figured out that they had written out or shoehorned away everyone who could plausibly stop the dragon or Cinder's conquest of the tower, Ruby's silver eyes suddenly came into play. I'm not arguing that they're potentially valid as a power. Monty had two decades in his head for RWBY; clearly at some point the silver eyes had to come into play. But you don't do it after you've spent half a volume building up to Maiden powers and how much they can change the world before trumping them whenever Ruby gets too stressed out. A good writer would have used them against Salem (who looks, unless we're being thrown for a serious loop here, like she's far more hellish than Cinder) to show that Ruby had really matured as a warrior the way that silver eyes imply. Time away from the rest of her team, on her own adventure, learning more about herself and fighting on her own, would have led to the point where that kind of reveal would have felt like a reveal, not a throwaway line of dialogue from Volume 1 that got pulled out of the ass when Cinder looked like she was too close to winning for good.
You're looking at what I meant re: Cinder's plan too broadly. Obviously her plan to sow disunity between Atlas and Vale worked; Yang confirmed that much, and it makes sense.
I mean Cinder's personal stake in this plan. It's clear that she really fucking wanted to be the Fall Maiden, and given that that's literally all we know about her character (she's an incredibly flat villain) the fact that she could be dead, frozen along with the dragon, or have escaped to go serve Salem again is a loose thread. All the end sequence would have needed was one more addition to the frame: Cinder on her knees in that hellscape Salem was in, head bowed and eyes glowing while Salem finishes the monologue. This establishes:
She's alive
Her Maidenhood helped her weather Ruby's silver eyes
Although as a Maiden she's incredibly powerful, wielding powers almost no one else in Remnant possesses, she's still totally subservient to Salem
She can be sent out again as a competent threat against RWBY in the future.
Just adding Cinder to that scene would show not only that she's licking her wounds and ready for a rematch, but that whatever Salem is, she's strong enough to totally trump a Maiden we saw obliterate Pyrrha, intimidate Roman, and stand toe to toe with Ozpin. This establishes the mindsets of both the people we know to be major villains at the moment, as well as their hierarchy. It tells more about Cinder's character, that she would be willing to prostate herself before this mysterious woman. It resolves what Cinder's been up to. Instead her whereabouts are about as intangible as Pyrrha's corpse.
I think a good many of my questions are valid, and patronizingly calling me naive for questioning a writing staff that has given us no reason to trust their latent skill in writing this genre over the past three volumes doesn't change that. Cliffhangers to one or two plotlines are a way to foster interest going forward in those characters - and for characters that are somewhat interesting, like Ruby or Qrow, they work. But making almost every character MIA or leaving their motivations for the future dangling isn't something you do in a finale. It's not good writing. It's waving your hands and expecting that the problem will resolve itself next time we see the characters - a lot like how the whole battle for Beacon ended in the first place.
That doesn't change the fact that she's a loose thread. Her impact on the plot was negligible given that it doesn't seem like Yang is going to be hunting for her while moping in bed and missing an arm.
I'll grant you Ironwood, and that he has a lot to take care of on his plate right now, but the fact that we know more about Papa Schnee's whereabouts than the man who runs Atlas and is part of the Ozlluminati is just more proof that things needed to be tied up on more fronts.
In just last week's episode, she talked about how "she wasn't running." Blake owning up to her problems and believing in the ability of herself and her friends to take care of each other has been pretty much all that keeps her character going since she first met Sun. It makes sense for her character to run (I personally think she's a total coward when push comes to shove) but it would have made more sense to do it when the going is rough next volume, as opposed to her scampering off while her teammates all lay injured.
Playing Jenga with a series of increasingly vaguely-defined superpowers in a universe where more often than not Semblances are OP to begin with is not the way to properly reestablish your main characters as badasses. Ruby couldn't even beat Roman, Neo, or Mercury head on over the course of the past few weeks, but when they figured out that they had written out or shoehorned away everyone who could plausibly stop the dragon or Cinder's conquest of the tower, Ruby's silver eyes suddenly came into play. I'm not arguing that they're potentially valid as a power. Monty had two decades in his head for RWBY; clearly at some point the silver eyes had to come into play. But you don't do it after you've spent half a volume building up to Maiden powers and how much they can change the world before trumping them whenever Ruby gets too stressed out. A good writer would have used them against Salem (who looks, unless we're being thrown for a serious loop here, like she's far more hellish than Cinder) to show that Ruby had really matured as a warrior the way that silver eyes imply. Time away from the rest of her team, on her own adventure, learning more about herself and fighting on her own, would have led to the point where that kind of reveal would have felt like a reveal, not a throwaway line of dialogue from Volume 1 that got pulled out of the ass when Cinder looked like she was too close to winning for good.
You're looking at what I meant re: Cinder's plan too broadly. Obviously her plan to sow disunity between Atlas and Vale worked; Yang confirmed that much, and it makes sense.
I mean Cinder's personal stake in this plan. It's clear that she really fucking wanted to be the Fall Maiden, and given that that's literally all we know about her character (she's an incredibly flat villain) the fact that she could be dead, frozen along with the dragon, or have escaped to go serve Salem again is a loose thread. All the end sequence would have needed was one more addition to the frame: Cinder on her knees in that hellscape Salem was in, head bowed and eyes glowing while Salem finishes the monologue. This establishes:
She's alive
Her Maidenhood helped her weather Ruby's silver eyes
Although as a Maiden she's incredibly powerful, wielding powers almost no one else in Remnant possesses, she's still totally subservient to Salem
She can be sent out again as a competent threat against RWBY in the future.
Just adding Cinder to that scene would show not only that she's licking her wounds and ready for a rematch, but that whatever Salem is, she's strong enough to totally trump a Maiden we saw obliterate Pyrrha, intimidate Roman, and stand toe to toe with Ozpin. This establishes the mindsets of both the people we know to be major villains at the moment, as well as their hierarchy. It tells more about Cinder's character, that she would be willing to prostate herself before this mysterious woman. It resolves what Cinder's been up to. Instead her whereabouts are about as intangible as Pyrrha's corpse.
I think a good many of my questions are valid, and patronizingly calling me naive for questioning a writing staff that has given us no reason to trust their latent skill in writing this genre over the past three volumes doesn't change that. Cliffhangers to one or two plotlines are a way to foster interest going forward in those characters - and for characters that are somewhat interesting, like Ruby or Qrow, they work. But making almost every character MIA or leaving their motivations for the future dangling isn't something you do in a finale. It's not good writing. It's waving your hands and expecting that the problem will resolve itself next time we see the characters - a lot like how the whole battle for Beacon ended in the first place.
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Your hider is broken.
Watched the last episode. I won't spoil much myself, but I am wondering a whole lot about what just happened to everyone. There was some sort of timeskip, that much I know, but what exactly happened during that timeskip?
Watched the last episode. I won't spoil much myself, but I am wondering a whole lot about what just happened to everyone. There was some sort of timeskip, that much I know, but what exactly happened during that timeskip?
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Don't use the "list" BBCodes! It sometimes breaks hiders for some weird reason!
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Don't use the "list" BBCodes! It sometimes breaks hiders for some weird reason!
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I like Salem's design. :>
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Your hider is broken.
Watched the last episode. I won't spoil much myself, but I am wondering a whole lot about what just happened to everyone. There was some sort of timeskip, that much I know, but what exactly happened during that timeskip?
Yeah, haha, guild bbcode got me fucked up. Just decided to cut what I was quoting from PoS out of the post and it seemed to work.
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huh, yeah, it was list after all
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Your hider is broken.
Watched the last episode. I won't spoil much myself, but I am wondering a whole lot about what just happened to everyone. There was some sort of timeskip, that much I know, but what exactly happened during that timeskip?
Obviously a period of mourning, training, and information gathering. Ruby must have kept in touch with Jaune to let him know to gather the team and get ready to set off to Haven, since that's where some plot important stuff is going to happen. Though now with Ruby, Jaune, Ren, and Nora, what would their team name be? RNJR (Ranger) was the first one that came to mind, if they even bother with team names. I'm not good at this.
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Obviously a period of mourning, training, and information gathering. Ruby must have kept in touch with Jaune to let him know to gather the team and get ready to set off to Haven, since that's where some plot important stuff is going to happen. Though now with Ruby, Jaune, Ren, and Nora, what would their team name be? RNJR (Ranger) was the first one that came to mind, if they even bother with team names. I'm not good at this.
Don't we need to Hider this? :o
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Don't we need to Hider this? :o
It hints at stuff that might have happened but doesn't really spoil anything definitely.
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I agree with Plank that Cinder being MIA and the silver eye warriors being shoe-horned in is annoying. Everything else though, I have to agree with Lucius and Seraphs on (except Lucius wanting to bring back Pyrrah and Penny as one being or Penny and Yang becoming like the main character of that Cybernetic Commando remake. I say, let the dead rest. Penny can come back as Penny 2.0 but anyone else being brought back will irritate me, personally).
Also, are we all going to ignore the fact that Qrow turned into a real crow after the credits?
Also, are we all going to ignore the fact that Qrow turned into a real crow after the credits?
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I agree with Plank that Cinder being MIA and the silver eye warriors being shoe-horned in is annoying. Everything else though, I have to agree with Lucius and Seraphs on (except Lucius wanting to bring back Pyrrah and Penny as one being or Penny and Yang becoming like the main character of that Cybernetic Commando remake. I say, let the dead rest. Penny can come back as Penny 2.0 but anyone else being brought back will irritate me, personally).
Also, are we all going to ignore the fact that Qrow turned into a real crow after the credits?
I totally didn't watch that far, having now done it what does Qrow having Ozpin's cane say about the Headmaster's fate?
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<Snipped quote by Guess Who>I totally didn't watch that far, having now done it what does Qrow having Ozpin's cane say about the Headmaster's fate?
I'm sure if he had found a body he wouldn't keep it a secret from everyone. Also, that new antagonist being played by Jen Taylor kept referring to Ozpin. I think he's still alive at the very least, though I can't be sure he's in good health.
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