[OOC] All-Star Marvel: Audax Mundus Novus - Season 1 (Completed)

[Natty]

Apologies that I haven't got a Boomerang post up yet! I do have an excuse! :P Should be able to finish it, if i'm not too hungover!

[DrewVonAwesome]

Okay so me and Ded were talking and I think I have an interesting direction to take both Pietro himself and the entire mutant war.

I want to keep Pietro a good guy but as is his not going to play ball with the X-Men (duh). But in the next post he starts getting sweet talked into joining the other team. Eventually it all leads to the formation of X-Force. In this though they're essentially the mutant Black Panthers. Wanting peace and harmony between humans and mutants but willing to do whatever it takes to get it. I think it would add a fascinating wrinkle to the whole ordeal. Sort of like Red Hood and Batman.

[Omega Man]

Re: the New Movie Spiderman...

WHY HIDER/SPOILER TAGS?

My first reaction to the new footage was 'Eh, the mask is cool anyway...' and not much has changed for me. The thick black lines are there for no reason just to make it seem more original, and that makes no sense to me when half the time you can't even make out the actual web lines in the suit. I noticed the lack of his traditional belt and what appears to be now a utility belt of sorts, possibly with web cartridges for his web shooters. We're supposed to get 3 suits for Spidey in this one film? Dude was just cast a few months ago and already his character will have as many suits as Ironman had in his first film... but in a movie that's SUPPOSED to be about Capt. America? I can see the pre-Spidey suit as he's being recruited for Team Stark, the one we've seen, and then possibly an Iron Spider suit he probably won't wear when he inevitably changes sides by the end of the film.

I could care less about Spiderman in this film universe, I'm more interested in what will be done with Cap from here on out. He originally died at the end of Civil War in the comics, and was replaced as Capt. America by Bucky/Winter Soldier. In the comics now, Falcon has been the new Cap for awhile... and Chris Evans wants to do more films with Marvel so now he's less likely to die. It was reported the guy playing Bucky turned down a Once Upon a Time spinn-off series featuring his portrayal of the Mad Hatter because he was under the impression he'd eventually replace Evans as Cap. Now that Falcon is turning heads in the comics and in the films as well... somebody may go home pissed off...

Still don't see why everybody was using hider tags. I was like 'holy shit I've missed two pages of OOC banter!' and it turned out being a dozen posts with tags and a discussion about colored fonts.

Looking forward to Batman v Superman and Daredevil Season 2 moreso than Civil War this year. Apparently this is the year heroes fight heroes in film and television.

~KL~

[Dedonus]

Well, since the trailer was just released on that day, we were just being cautious. Now that the trailer has been out for a couple days, it's probably safe to assume spoilers are not required.

I am honestly looking forward to Civil War more than Batman v Superman. Obviously I am biased towards Marvel (and Spider-Man being in the MCU). I just don't have as much faith in DC's film division as I do in Marvel's. In the past decade or so, unless it had Batman in it, the film hasn't always been stellar (although I will admit that, by box office numbers, the same can be said about Marvel and Iron Man). Sure, everything that Marvel makes isn't always golden, but it is telling when one company can capitalize on lesser known/ less popular properties (Guardians of the Galaxy) while the other still hasn't been able to get out of their "Big 3". At least for me, DC needs to prove that they can make a movie without Batman.

DC's television series, on the other hand, are quite superb.

[Sep]

@The Kid Lantern I think it won't focus on Spidey we'll just notice the different suits in clear progression. I would heavily doubt we'd see a Iron Spidey suit unless it was at the end as a teaser. It'd just be silly I think BUT, we could always see a black Spider-man suit like at the end of Civil War. In terms of Bucky/FalCap/SteveCap in the end it's upto the studio. Sure Chris Evans wants to continue on the role, but Robert Downey Jr likes his role as Iron Man too, doesn't mean they're going to keep him on forever unless they know for a fact their movies are going to continue raking in as much money because actors get paid and extortionate amount (Always annoys me when actors preach for charity, or say they love a role. a) You could donate more to charity than I ever could dipshit and b) if you love it so much why are you wanting paid for it?). So in the end it depends whether or not Disney/Marvel want to keep going with the more expensive options or usher in a new age of heroes.

To be fair they could probably do films on smaller heroes that later ties into the Avengers with all the big names, but it really depends on how they want to do it. In terms of TV-Verse I do like their netflix shows (As it's a way for them to give heroes that should be darker, a darker tone without jumping on the R-Rated bandwagon). DC... no. I like @Dedonus am not really looking forward to BvS. Okay I could live with it being Batmans first appearance in the DC-Cinematic Universe as everyone knows his origin story by now, and we've got an older Batman.

Though Flash? Wonder Woman? Even read somewhere they may attempt to shoehorn Aquaman in. I will be the first to admit that DC have some great characters, but they're trying to catch up with Marvel too fast and it's going to shoot themselves in the foot from a story telling standpoint. Okay maybe these heroes don't need an Origin story movie anymore, but they do need introduced. They're trying to throw everything together just to aim for the Justice League and I think it's going to end up a mess. They would have been better to do a BvS (But with a smaller villain than Doomsday), Flash, Wonder Woman, Aquaman (not in that order), Dawn of Justice (Which is essentially the first Justice League Film) then went from there.

I think another thing that is grinding my gears with DC is they're moving away from the comic theme. Marvel can have darker stories while keeping a very comic-book feel. Winter Soldier proved that, Incredible Hulk proved that (it wasn't darker but it was a pretty heavy film). DC is going dark but I feel its taking some of the fun out of it from it being from a comic. I don't care that Superman killed, or that half the city was destroyed or whatever. It's the way they did it and made it so... dark that I don't like. Come on, lighten up a bit. Take the filter off. It's a comic book movie for christ sake. That's like someone remaking Winnie the Pooh and making him an emo. That said, some comic book movies deserve to be darker/rougher. I.E. Deadpool is good being an R-Rated and Batman works as a dark movie.

That said, @Dedonus has a point. The DC TV-verse is on point.

[Dedonus]

@Sep: I agree. I fear that Batman v. Superman might suffer the same as the Amazing Spider-Man 2 (or even Age of Ultron): trying to set up an equivalent "MCU" in the DC Universe. Marvel did: Iron Man, Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America, Avengers. Sony did: ASM, ASM2. DC is doing: Man of Steel, Batman v. Superman. The only things I can think of off the top of my head that BvS has over ASM2 is that it has 1) Batman, a proven successful comic character in film adaptions (although the same could be said of Spider-Man before the ASM movies), 2) the novelty of Batman and Superman in the same film, and 3) Age of Ultron did well, despite suffering the "this movie is basically a preview for the next five movies" syndrome.

Edit: We're not trying to rain on your parade, KidLantern. I'm glad you're hopeful for BvS.

[Sep]

@Dedonus That's the thing I'm amazed marvel have managed to pull.

Phase 1: Leading upto the Avengers.
Phase 2: Post-Avengers, Leading upto Infinity War.
Phase 3: Look! Avengers are needed again, and more Infinity War related stuff.

[Dedonus]

@Sep: I am really interested in seeing how Marvel/Sony can make Spider-Man relevant again. When Spider-Man 1-3 came out, it didn't really have much competition in the superhero genre. If you were going to see another super-hero movie, you were going to go back to Spider-Man 1-3. However, the Amazing Spider-Man series actually had some competition. Amazing Spider-Man had Avengers and Dark Knight Rises. Amazing Spider-Man 2 had Captain America: Winter Soldier, Days of Future Past, and Guardians of the Galaxy. Were you going to go back to Spider-Man or see one of the other movies that might be better? The answer is obvious.

[Sep]

@Dedonus Amazing Spider-man had it's perks, and Spider-man doesn't stand the test of time and wasn't the best movie. Apparently it's said that Tim(?) Holland is the same to Parker as Downey Jr. and Chris Evans are to their roles so that's something. I just hope for once we get the nerdy/outcast Parker and the witty quickmouthed Spidey. With Toby Maguires portrayal I felt we got a good Parker, but not the best Spidey. With Andrew Garfields I felt we got a really good Spidey but not the best parker.

I think they're doing the right thing with skipping the origin story and having him younger. A lot of people are saying "We've seen him go through high school! I want him to be an Avenger yadayadayada."

Though I think you can't change the point he got his powers, he got them in High School so if you wanted an older Spidey it wouldn't quite fit in. I like the idea of him being younger and it lets them put a new twist on it. It also gives them a nice focus for the enxt couple of phases in terms of movies, as he won't be getting paid anywhere near as much as the big shots so he'll be sticking around.

[Dedonus]

Ironically, only Amazing Spider-Man was entirely set in high school. The original Spider-Man and Amazing Spider-Man 2 only had a short part where they were in high school (and ASM2 had it last shorter, too, if I recall correctly).

And for the ASM movies, I thought it was interesting to look into the past of Peter's parents. It is just that they did not execute it as well as the should have.

[Omega Man]

GotG was good, no way the sequel has as much appeal as the original. Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Capt. Marvel and the Inhumans have to be good for me to believe Marvel can do no wrong. Ironman 2 and 3 were picked apart by fans the same as Thor 2, Ed Norton getting replaced as Banner ticked me off personally, and really Avengers and the GotG film are the only ones that have really had much acclaim. Winter Soldier was a hit, but only because it was seen as Avengers 1.5 and had a larger cast that also saw the introduction of Falcon.

This is just my opinion, but when you HAVE to introduce another handful of characters in a film because the central character isn't enough to draw interest... then something's wrong. Connected film universe or not, Capt. America should be able to work in film without Falcon, Bucky, Spiderman, the Avengers, etc. all showing up and taking time away from the film's star. I was actually more excited during their hoax about the movie titles reveal and the next film being 'Capt. America: Serpent Society' than I was for the Civil War announcement just cause I knew Cap would get more screen time. B v S is supposed to start laying the foundation for the Justice League, but I think a movie with just the two of them could've been just as good.

As for B v S, Aquaman is already said to be appearing [and in the first line of toys to boot] as well as Cyborg to some extent [probably still playing football] and *possibly* the Flash. Something I read months ago claimed most of them or even all of them would just be on computer screens as Lex is studying them all along with Superman. In that context I don't think DC/WB is putting too much into one film. And it's always been their plan to make the team up film first then go into solo flicks, even back in '08 when Justice League: Mortal began production.

And @Sep and @Dedonus I know you guys aren't trying to rain on my parade, I just don't think the Marvel MCU is as flawless as a lot of people and that the Spiderman flicks have way more potential than Sony realizes. Ant Man looked good, but I was disappointed they made Pym an old guy and remade characters and such to avoid any chance of the Pym/Wasp marital abuse thing coming up. I have high hopes for Black Panther though and the Inhumans.

~KL~

[Dedonus]

And @Sep and @Dedonus I know you guys aren't trying to rain on my parade, I just don't think the Marvel MCU is as flawless as a lot of people and that the Spider-Man flicks have way more potential than Sony realizes. Ant Man looked good, but I was disappointed they made Pym an old guy and remade characters and such to avoid any chance of the Pym/Wasp marital abuse thing coming up. I have high hopes for Black Panther though and the Inhumans.

@The Kid Lantern

After reading what Sony had planned for Spider-Man, they really needed to let him go because they had no freaking clue how to handle him. And this is coming from someone who liked the Amazing Spider-Man series of films (I have no idea how anyone could rate ASM2 under SM3. That's beyond me). Like I already said, the original Spider-Man trilogy was produced in a very competition-lacking environment. Sony thought that they could just make a Spider-Man movie and it be a smashing success. This really shows itself in ASM2, where Sony tried to market that movie to death.

Sometimes, it takes fresh minds to make something better. You cannot tell me that the Fantastic Four would be in better hands with Marvel than with Fox, especially after the embarrassment that F4 was (although I didn't see it because I already assumed it was going to be a train wreck). I think it is the same with Spider-Man (although definitely not as extreme as a case as Fantastic Four). Spider-Man needed fresh minds on his projects because obviously what Sony was doing with him was not working.

Sure, I would love to see the DC movies do well. This can only bring healthy competition between the two companies. It will keep the "creative" fire going under Marvel so that they don't become lazy and lose their touch. And while it is true that not everything that Marvel makes is "golden", at the same time, except for the Incredible Hulk (which probably is a better movie than the two ones I will list), Marvel hasn't had a movie so bad like Green Lantern or Fantastic Four (the reboot). Even Man of Steel was polarizing. Some liked it, other did not (unfortunately I am one of the latter).

[Omega Man]

Spiderman is still Sony's and only on loan to Marvel/Disney to try and help the future solo Spiderman films. Part of the agreement was Sony would get to use two of the Avengers' characters. More than likely one will be Ironman since Stark is now Spiderman's mentor for some idiotic reason [like the Ult. Spiderman toon], and either RDJ will get paid ridiculous amounts of cash to be the glue in the two universes... or we get a new actor cast as Ironman by then. So essentially I see this gamble as either being great for Spiderman, or horrible for everyone involved if it involves recasting after three phases of films. And with talks of a Venom film completely separated from the rest of the Spiderverse... just seems like Sony wants multiple films going at the same time. Before they do something stupid like that you'd think they'd bust out the Spider-Clone[s] in a movie or do something with Spiderman 2099...

I'm interested to see how the DC films pan out schedule wise since the guy playing Cyborg had meetings with WB after the release date of Black Panther was announced. It's also said a solo Batman film could come before Justice League depending on how B v S does in theaters, though after the film schedules were released it was already noted solo Batman and Superman films were going to happen as well they just didn't know where in the timeline.

Watchmen is probably my favorite recent superhero film because of the altered history and 80's setting. Incredible Hulk is probably up there too. I get that RDJ had a hand in Howard being replaced as War Machine [it got RDJ and extra $7 million somehow], but Norton actually wanted to continue playing Banner and there was a big stink about it for several months after it was stated he wouldn't be in Avengers. One of the rumors was he was still 'too big a name' and the other actors didn't want to be outshined. You bet your ass they would've been too. LOL

Fant4stic was horrible from the development stages, and GL was a convoluted mess and a big waste of money with $200 million thrown out there for marketing. I felt Reynolds was too desperate to be the actual star in a comic film at the time and had already been attached to a Flash film and was already in the Marvel loop having played Hannibal King in Blade Trinity and later as Deadpool in Origins. The original pitch for GL had something closer to the Emerald Dawn origin for Hal from the early 90's and featured the villain Legion. Would've been a much better film IMHO.

~KL~

[Dedonus]

@The Kid Lantern: Hearing about the Venom movie just makes me more certain that Sony needs Marvel to hold their hand through making these movies, because Sony has no freaking clue what they are doing.

[Omega Man]

Maybe they want to develop it with Disney as well and make it stand alone initially to separate Venom from Spiderman so he can show up in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3? I doubt it but that's the only thing I could think of that wouldn't completely suck balls. No way it'd be Flash Thompson though if he's still 16-18 and still in high school with Peter Parker... maybe they'll just use Eddie Brock since basically nobody remembers his time as Venom now....

If I were behind the Spiderman films I'd lay the groundwork for the clone saga in part one with a villain like the Shocker showing up and Scarlet Spider at the very end revealing himself as a clone to the viewers. Part two would be Spiderman vs Scarlet Spider vs Kaine, and in the end one or two of them vs the Jackal. For part three I'd use Morbius, and have Peter adopt a black costume for being more stealthy in the sewers where Morbius is presumably based. At some point we'd get a glimpse of a live action Man-Spider be it nightmare or pre-vampire Morbius himself while still tampering with Parker's DNA.

~KL~

[Dedonus]

Quick PSA time. I am going to be busy from Wednesday until Saturday night. This means I probably will not be able to get up any posts or monitor the game thread during that time. Therefore, @Sep, I am bestowing temporary "co-gm" powers on you while I am gone.

Please use them wisely. ;)

[Sep]

Quick PSA time. I am going to be busy from Wednesday until Saturday night. This means I probably will not be able to get up any posts or monitor the game thread during that time. Therefore, @Sep, I am bestowing temporary "co-gm" powers on you while I am gone.

Please use them wisely. ;)

@Dedonus

You're all banned.

#authority

[Dedonus]

<Snipped quote by Dedonus>

You're all banned.

#authority

@Sep

I have not left yet, so I veto you.

[Sep]

<Snipped quote by Sep>

I have not left yet, so I veto you.

@Dedonus

Damnit. Now you know what I'm going to be upto.

When you're back I need to PM you about some ASM related sht00f btw.

I should have a Hulk post up later this week.

[Dedonus]

So...how are the posts coming along?