[OOC] The Sun Will Never Set (A Statisticless NRP)(It had a good run)

[hivekiller]

I just noticed that all of the republic nations are beside each other, what a coincidence.
Or maybe it was the work of illuminati.

[Willy Vereb]

Well, if we are at it.
I do think elves would have a small population in any country which doesn't reject people from other races or who came from foreign country.
As for spies, yup, Yllendthyr has them as expected.
Sometimes a small percentage of imigrants from Yllendthyr, other times spies secretly trained from the locals.
Albeit elven spies are somewhat preferred, both because Yllendthyr trusts them more and because their enhanced senses mean they can safely observe or listen to people from further away.

I just noticed that all of the republic nations are beside each other, what a coincidence.
Or maybe it was the work of illuminati.

@hivekiller

More likely they were hit with the same wave.
Just like the revolutions around the middle of the 19th century in Europe.
Given Yllendthyr had a such revolution in 1648 I suppose these nations got something similar around the time?

[Alfhedil]

I just noticed that all of the republic nations are beside each other, what a coincidence.
Or maybe it was the work of illuminati.

@hivekiller

Actually, the largest state of the Hegemony is a republic. Everyone forgets about Kzechverin, maybe because their military is 300 years obsolete and backwards really just doesn't do them justice .-.

[Raijinslayer]

@Willy VerebI was going to have Silme be the main spies for Umbraisis, but decided that it'd be better for each section to have their own spy forces, exceot the Khoren, who could careless and are as subtle as a boulder. So elf spies will be sent out, but they're more specialized and less long-term than the priests.

[Hael]

Well, I've had a republic since about 1000 CE

I did it first, therefore I will take all the credit.

[Willy Vereb]

On a different note, since large swathes of the Africa-like penisula are not taken, would you mind if I would increase the size of my colonies a bit? Iwas only that conservative there to give a chance for other nations to claim colonies and generally allow a nation to exist over there.
I still intend the latter but the former is kind of moot now.

On a different note:
@Raijinslayer
I see you also use alchemy.
Well, aside from its near-unneccessarily complex methods, alchemy also differs from chemistry and material sciences that their art is highly secretive.
Alchemists make wows of secrecy and they don't communicate between circles.
I even planned to mention alchemists are using hyponotism on their members to make them literally unable to tell the secret to anyone but people they were conditioned to.
I didn't invent this to keep Yllendthyr's tech secret or anything. I don't mind if other people use mithril, especially not if they get it from me via trade.
I invented this as a means of developing on them.
Overall alchemy is actually not that different from common sciences. They just got lucky and invented a number of methods without completely unerstanding it. That's why they use complex methods and such. Just like how Damascus Steel predates our research on CNT-Steel matrix by many centuries because they used a plant which had something close to carbon-nanotubes.
Think of alchemy as the same. It's a secret only circulating between a small group and if a "proper" scientist would know the methods he may develop a far less complex measure.
Mithril is nothing magical. I basically replaced Titanium with the less dense Mithralium and devised some means to improve it to match steel. That's all.

[Cyclone]

@Mihndar@Murtox

If you're wondering about personality, he was one of Babur's main influences and I imagine the two would be quite similar. He might just get along with Premier Velikaya, what with him hating decadence and ineffective/corrupt leadership, and her seeming to feel the same. Granted, she doesn't fulfill his idea of what a woman should be like (Tin outright bans women from doing almost anything).

Still, it might be interesting if you could genuinely convince him of the merits of socialism and then help him start a revolution in Tin.

@Murtox

I doubt he'd by anti-imperialist. Tin's feudal government leaves conquest and exploitation as deep rooted things in their culture. Many of them treat non-Ajdars like animals.

[Meiyuuhi]

I just noticed that all of the republic nations are beside each other, what a coincidence.
Or maybe it was the work of illuminati.

@hivekiller

Except one, that is. *points at Hael incriminatingly*

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Actually, the largest state of the Hegemony is a republic. Everyone forgets about Kzechverin, maybe because their military is 300 years obsolete and backwards really just doesn't do them justice .-.

@Alfhedil

I'm planning on sending an emissary to Kzechverin fairly quickly, so not entirely. Always good to cultivate friendship in the far corners of the globe.

@Raijinslayer

As far as spies existing, I'm fine with it, since we are like 60% human. But keep in mind the PRK has one of the most extensive spy networks in the world for purposes of contacting and supporting rebel groups and so we'll be very sensitive to being spied ourselves. Most of the state-owned industry (as well as the central government) is fairly authoritarian and secretive.

@Cyclone

I primarily proposed it because I knew we discussed the Tin minority already present here, but that would certainly be an interesting plotline and I could easily see him being hired as an advisor for his knowledge (and for the interesting dialogue). We could operate a post cycle like that, where the Premier and him (you and me posting respectively) have discussions. Just a suggestion.

[Cyclone]

@Mihndar

Sure. Besides being an advisor, as brother to the previous Sultan and uncle to the current, he would know a lot of information about Tin that would be useful and hard to otherwise come about. He'd willingly give enough so as to not be tortured or something for it, but of course there's some secrets that he wouldn't be so willing to share.

Actually, if you had thoroughly convinced him to have socialist leanings he could be the one telling them about what was going on with the Zanjir Islands. Being accused of treason and forced to flee for his life would obviously make him angry at the previous Sultan, so before he has time to cool off I could see him telling the PRK how to sabotage his brother's little pet project, just out of spite.

[Meiyuuhi]

@Cyclone

Well, as an advisor he'd probably realize that the Premier is quite authoritarian and hence that the "democracy" he would have perceived on the outside is really closer to the Sultanate than other republics, at least while Velikaya is in charge, and that the appearance of democracy gives it an unprecedented level of enthusiasm and effectiveness since people actually want to contribute.

If he was moderately useful there would be no reason to harm him.

I feel like that would be fair, since living in the PRK for so long would have accommodated him to its existence, and being around Velikaya (who is remarkably persuasive), in addition to personal spite could definitely bring him to it.

[Cyclone]

@Mihndar

That sounds good. I suppose I'll have him as the "honored guest"/advisor of tbe PRK. We can introduce him whenever you want.

[Willy Vereb]

@MihndarThat was my impression, too.
It's also kind of funny how PRK kept the imperial double-headed eagle yet they talk about the evils of imperialism.
My emperor will comment on both Velikaya and Babur.

@CycloneBTW, what were the previous Sultans like?
I don't mean Babur's direct predecesor but Babur's grandfather or even great-greandfather.
Were they more of a warrior just like Babur? Circa when did they reign?
My emperor may make comparions with Babur and Sultans from the past.

[Cyclone]

@Willy Vereb

The first Sultan was Temujin, a great warrior that conquered half a dozen khanates and united Tin. An amazing achievement, considering the lands that he conquered and controlled were almost as large as modern-day Tin.

The most violent and zealous was perhaps Timur, he was the one that conquered half of KalMea and also fought in the crusades to the north (in what is now Avalia) no doubt killing hundreds of thousands.

Those are probably the two most famous Sultans and the ancestors that Banur always talks about honoring, but both have been dead for centuries.

As in for the more recent ones, they've been stubborn and traditional, refusing to change and causing Tin to decline while they do little more than live in luxury and expand the already massive palace complex in Saroy City. Babur's father and grandfather were slightly more competent, having the wisdom to establish relations with Ventium and modernize the country with telegraph lines and a better navy.

One thing that would definitely stick is out that Babur is only 18 (most Sultans would rule from perhaps 30 or 40 until they died, usually at least in their mid 60s) and he certainly has some fire, like Baktu commented.

For circa when they reigned, I've been avoiding the use of dates thus far because we have no official timeline and I don't want to create any contradictions. See my above statement about when they usually rule from (Babur's father died in his 50s) and you could probably figure out roughly how long ago each successor was coronated.

[Voltus_Ventus]

I'm gonna start on a Ventian post soon, anyone care for character interaction?

[Cyclone]

I started writing about Tin's navy and made an entry for Sea Jackals. They're Tinite pirates, and like the elven mercenaries they'll work for just about anybody.

The best part is that half the time they do so for free (for the winning side, of course) because they are content to just make profit by selling stolen boats and cargo. And they ransom captured sailors for exorbitant prices, of course.

[Alfhedil]

I'm gonna start on a Ventian post soon, anyone care for character interaction?

@Voltus_Ventus

Sure, what kind you looking for? Both Eisenkreis and Kzechverin are looking to secure trade with the world at the moment.

[Raijinslayer]

@Voltus_VentusWould the Ventians be willing to talk to either the Navari about rebellion against the Silme, the Silme, who need assistance in keeping the Navari in line, or the Khoren in launching an assault on the Heavenly Empire to reclaim "The Lost Mountain".

[Voltus_Ventus]

I started writing about Tin's navy and made an entry for Sea Jackals. They're Tinite pirates, and like the elven mercenaries they'll work for just about anybody.

The best part is that half the time they do so for free (for the winning side, of course) because they are content to just make profit by selling stolen boats and cargo. And they ransom captured sailors for exorbitant prices, of course.

@Cyclone

Thank The Savior that I have a modern navy.

[Voltus_Ventus]

@Voltus_VentusWould the Ventians be willing to talk to either the Navari about rebellion against the Silme, the Silme, who need assistance in keeping the Navari in line, or the Khoren in launching an assault on the Heavenly Empire to reclaim "The Lost Mountain".

@Raijinslayer

I'd like to help the Silme, they seem to align better with the more conservative nature of the Ventians. That and I'd rather not war with the heavenly empire.

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Sure, what kind you looking for? Both Eisenkreis and Kzechverin are looking to secure trade with the world at the moment.

@Alfhedil

We can work on something, some official visiting and maybe some sort of maritime security agreement?

[Alfhedil]

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We can work on something, some official visiting and maybe some sort of maritime security agreement?

@Voltus_Ventus

Aye that can do.