[OOC] Kamen Rider Generations

[Psyga315]

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Sure, just one question:
Should I add something about, you know, consequences for sealing the Makamou? Like, I get sealing the villains that are major issues (such as Orochi or the Man and Woman), but the Makamou as a whole are as far as I'm aware some sort of naturally-occurring phenomena that just kind of happens, and sealing away the Makamou as a whole would be a bit like sealing away rocks or trees. Should I change my character's backstory to reflect this? Something about how sealing away the Makamou actually had really awful unintended side-effects on the world as a whole and the Oni have been working to bring them back in an attempt to undo their mistake or some such thing?

@Zobozun

Hm... Perhaps there was a bigger threat that was the prey for the Makamou and now with them gone, they've gone through a population boom?

[Satoshi Kyou]

are you still accepting?
if so i want to ask if with successor do you mean that i get to be decade for example? (quite a fan of decade you see and well there is only one decade and one DIend)

also do you actually accept newbies? if not i'll just leave (also not the greatest at english)

[Suku]

My Char

Name: Soma Kisaragi
Rider Name: Kamen Rider Kabuto
Age: 16
Sex: Female

Transformation Device: Kaubto Zector, Rider Belt

Origin of Powers: Kamen Rider Kabuto

Abilities: She has enhanced strength, in masked form she has enhanced defense capabilities but lacks speed. In Rider form she has enhanced speeds but loses defense. In rider form she has access to the "clock up" which allows them to move at super speed.
Forms: Masked, Rider

Appearance:

Personality: Calm and cool are the two besrt words to describe her personality. In battle and most of time out of it she keeps a cool head that makes others flock to her in some cases due to how charismatic she can be. However, Soma has a violent temper once angered, and this can normally be seen when she see's something she absolutely hates. Despite all this Soma, while hard to approach, is generally a friendly person who does her best to help others.

Background: As a child she was attacked by worms before she was saved by a "passing through kamen rider". She heard the legends of kamen rider and always though they were nothing more than m myths yet here one was saving her. A bit after the "magenta" rider's leaving she was found by a zecter a legendary one to say the least. The Kabuto zecter chose her as its next user from that day she as kamen rider kabuto she searched for any news on the magenta rider to thank him for saving her. Beyond that she traveled from one place to next never settling down for long always going for next lead. There were though multiple organizations that sought her out ZECT being the main one. She would aid them if they were not unjust but beyond that she would soon leave searching both history and known myths of Kamen rider Decade. Her family is unknown since she simply was raised a orphan.

Unsure on if this is still accepting or if kamen rider kabuto was taken.

[Phantom Wanderer]

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Sure, just one question:
Should I add something about, you know, consequences for sealing the Makamou? Like, I get sealing the villains that are major issues (such as Orochi or the Man and Woman), but the Makamou as a whole are as far as I'm aware some sort of naturally-occurring phenomena that just kind of happens, and sealing away the Makamou as a whole would be a bit like sealing away rocks or trees. Should I change my character's backstory to reflect this? Something about how sealing away the Makamou actually had really awful unintended side-effects on the world as a whole and the Oni have been working to bring them back in an attempt to undo their mistake or some such thing?

@Zobozun

Hm...true, when thinking about that, Phantoms would also be a problem to seal. Hm...let's do it like this: The Makamou remained in this world, however the ones who joined Shocker in the past were sealed.

[Phantom Wanderer]

are you still accepting?
if so i want to ask if with successor do you mean that i get to be decade for example? (quite a fan of decade you see and well there is only one decade and one DIend)

also do you actually accept newbies? if not i'll just leave (also not the greatest at english)

@Satoshi Kyou

There was one person working to make a Decade. Also we have too many people already, I'm sorry.

[Phantom Wanderer]

@clanjos Take Deadheat out of your CS for a while and you're good to go. Then post it at the character section

@Moonman @Descartes [@zerohex] and [@Zuku] All approved. You three, @Psyga315 and @Zobozun post your CSs at the character section now, please.

[Suku]

@clanjos Take Deadheat out of your CS for a while and you're good to go. Then post it at the character section

@Moonman @Descartes [@zerohex] and [@Zuku] All approved. You three, @Psyga315 and @Zobozun post your CSs at the character section now, please.

@Phantom Wanderer

hmm quick question phantom for Zuku did you mean me?

[Zero Hex]

So what are you going to do about specific powersets required to battle certain opponents on even terms? We have a Drive rider and now a Kabuto one, Clockup and Heavy Acceleration can readily deny any action enemies and allies might try to make at any point, same could happen if someone wanted to use Faiz with Accel or if I'd taken an Accele-Vent card. My guy could drag people into the mirror world and leave them there, after which they'd have a few minutes to live tops. Roidmudes need to be destroyed by Drive tech otherwise they just reform, Makamou need to be fought with pure sound and Undead need to be sealed or destroyed by other undead.

I'm sure there's other examples I'm missing but this is the stuff that jumps to mind, particularly on how overpowered Clockup and Heavy Acceleration are when in settings where they aren't used by every Rider and monster out there. Or hell my own possibility of nulling any threat long as I can push it towards a reflective surface.

[Phantom Wanderer]

So what are you going to do about specific powersets required to battle certain opponents on even terms? We have a Drive rider and now a Kabuto one, Clockup and Heavy Acceleration can readily deny any action enemies and allies might try to make at any point, same could happen if someone wanted to use Faiz with Accel or if I'd taken an Accele-Vent card. My guy could drag people into the mirror world and leave them there, after which they'd have a few minutes to live tops. Roidmudes need to be destroyed by Drive tech otherwise they just reform, Makamou need to be fought with pure sound and Undead need to be sealed or destroyed by other undead.

I'm sure there's other examples I'm missing but this is the stuff that jumps to mind, particularly on how overpowered Clockup and Heavy Acceleration are when in settings where they aren't used by every Rider and monster out there. Or hell my own possibility of nulling any threat long as I can push it towards a reflective surface.

@Zero Hex

I had myself thinking about that as well, my biggest problems were Heavy Acceleration, the Roidmudes and the Makamou as well. Clock up isn't as much as problem as you think. Decade series proved us, one with an enhanced perception (Such as Pegasus Form Kuuga) can attack someone with this ability activated, I think in Kabuto episode 1 Tendou defeated a Worm in clock up while he was in masked form. Also in Kamen Rider Taisen, Stronger managed to land a hit on Kabuto with his electro kick. For Heavy Acceleration, there will be an organization aiding us, I'll get them to fetch us something made out of the same technology of the shift cars to withstand it. That leaves us with the Roidmude regeneration and Makamou problem, I'll still need to think about that though. Any suggestion is more than welcome. Great question by the way.

[Phantom Wanderer]

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hmm quick question phantom for Zuku did you mean me?

@Suku

OOPS! XD I typed out wrong, sorry, and yes. I typed Zero's username wrong too...but he already got the message and you too so...that's what counts haha.

[Suku]

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OOPS! XD I typed out wrong, sorry, and yes. I typed Zero's username wrong too...but he already got the message and you too so...that's what counts haha.

@Phantom Wanderer

roger I wont be avaliable tomorrow due to travel but ill post monday should the ic be up. Also on a previous statement yes Tendou did kill a worm with his armored form first episode.

[Zero Hex]

I had myself thinking about that as well, my biggest problems were Heavy Acceleration, the Roidmudes and the Makamou as well. Clock up isn't as much as problem as you think. Decade series proved us, one with an enhanced perception (Such as Pegasus Form Kuuga) can attack someone with this ability activated, I think in Kabuto episode 1 Tendou defeated a Worm in clock up while he was in masked form. Also in Kamen Rider Taisen, Stronger managed to land a hit on Kabuto with his electro kick. For Heavy Acceleration, there will be an organization aiding us, I'll get them to fetch us something made out of the same technology of the shift cars to withstand it. That leaves us with the Roidmude regeneration and Makamou problem, I'll still need to think about that though. Any suggestion is more than welcome. Great question by the way.

@Phantom Wanderer

I'd say the poorly thought out crossover series that used alt worlds and changed things around to suit its purposes isn't the most reliable of sources. I could kind of see Pegasus Kuuga managing to catch someone using Clock Up if he timed the attack juuuuust right, maybe, except he tried to do it against an opponent that was just on a fast bike and couldn't manage it in his actual series, not to mention Pegasus Form is a huge boost to perception, so bad that Yusuke "I can do anything" Godai couldn't handle it on the first go and then could only hold it up for less than a minute because it shut down his nervous system from the strain.

Kabuto handling a Clocked Up Worm on the first ep was done entirely to showcase how badass he is and kind of total bullshit in that he's getting manhandled by the thing and then it just runs into the kabuto kunai because he could somehow see it coming by making a smokescreen and using shards of glass to create a laser pointer net, even though it was shown not a minute before that it could easily juggle Kabuto in mid-air, Tekken style, while it was on clock up and give him absolutely no chance to react.

Crossover movies that almost completely disregard character abilities in favor of showcasing them all are also hardly proof that Clock Up is readily handled by those without it, not to mention it was done because Stronger is a popular showa rider and the first to employ a rhinoceros beetle motif. And he was made to use some kind of electric attack made up for the movie that shut the ability down. In general, only other superspeed modes or similar should be seen as appropiate counters for Clockup, because every other instance is iffy and extremely situational.

[Phantom Wanderer]

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I'd say the poorly thought out crossover series that used alt worlds and changed things around to suit its purposes isn't the most reliable of sources. I could kind of see Pegasus Kuuga managing to catch someone using Clock Up if he timed the attack juuuuust right, maybe, except he tried to do it against an opponent that was just on a fast bike and couldn't manage it in his actual series, not to mention Pegasus Form is a huge boost to perception, so bad that Yusuke "I can do anything" Godai couldn't handle it on the first go and then could only hold it up for less than a minute because it shut down his nervous system from the strain.

Kabuto handling a Clocked Up Worm on the first ep was done entirely to showcase how badass he is and kind of total bullshit in that he's getting manhandled by the thing and then it just runs into the kabuto kunai because he could somehow see it coming by making a smokescreen and using shards of glass to create a laser pointer net, even though it was shown not a minute before that it could easily juggle Kabuto in mid-air, Tekken style, while it was on clock up and give him absolutely no chance to react.

Crossover movies that almost completely disregard character abilities in favor of showcasing them all are also hardly proof that Clock Up is readily handled by those without it, not to mention it was done because Stronger is a popular showa rider and the first to employ a rhinoceros beetle motif. And he was made to use some kind of electric attack made up for the movie that shut the ability down. In general, only other superspeed modes or similar should be seen as appropiate counters for Clockup, because every other instance is iffy and extremely situational.

@Zero Hex

First, I gotta say I couldn't help but laugh at Yusuke "I can do anything" Godai. xD

Second, hm....you might be right...and yes, Tendou was the biggest Mary Sue of all. Well then, luckily, we've got all sort of riders to deal with those enemies (Makamou, Worms and Roidmudes) which is sort of a relief, however I am aware we can't depend like that on the others, allies or not. But that does give us some time to think, I won't forget this, and again, any help is way more than welcome.

[Zero Hex]

Honestly there's a simple, if perhaps unfulfilling, answer: being sealed had adverse effects on both enemies and rider powers. It's already kind of a given considering the lack of access to final forms n whatnot.

Roidmudes lost their invulnerability so that any finisher tier attack can destroy or remove their cores, Makamou can now take damage from non pure sound sources, Imagin can no longer freely time travel, Ryuki riders and mirror monsters can't drag things into the mirror world and leave them there to rot anymore, Undead can now be sealed by standard finishers, Worms and Kabuto riders can still hit high speed movement in bursts and without it going into god-dodge, so fast they dissapear territory, etc etc.

It might lessen or do away with series gimmicks, but they're just that, gimmicks, they don't matter in their actual series because the characters in those worlds have the tools to even out the playing field. Sure technically Kabuto and the Worms fight at insane speeds but what you actually get are regular fights with some effects thrown in here and there, and you need something like this to keep things even in a crossover world because you can't rely on writing the plot to suit your needs like it happens with the movies.

[Phantom Wanderer]

@Zero Hex That's a good solution, but to the "fighting abilities" such as heavy acceleration and clock up, instead of just getting rid of them, we could limit them instead, giving them a time limit like Faiz Accel or Accel Trial.

[Zero Hex]

Worms and Kabuto riders can still hit high speed movement in bursts and without it going into god-dodge, so fast they dissapear territory

@Zero Hex

Giving a time limit to an ability that completely takes away the ability to react from whoever has to go up against it for the duration of the attack doesn't particularly help at all. Faiz Accel has a 10 second time limit and he took out all the Riotroopers with it, both in the show and movie. And sure, feel free to laugh at the Riotroopers, they're not exactly protag rider material, but it was a whole squad of Orphnochs using ability-boosting belts that had no chance to fight back.

The ability to move so fast you dissapear from view and get to attack multiple times in the blink of an eye can be used to both god-dodge and instawin fights, it needs to used by everyone in the setting (Kabuto, Drive) or nerfed so it isn't so big of a problem for the purposes of a roleplay, because otherwise you get a few guys who picked these characters and who are free to employ a get out of jail free card. If you're set on not nerfing these powers for some reason then I'd like to add an Accele-Vent card to my character's repertoire.

[Phantom Wanderer]

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Giving a time limit to an ability that completely takes away the ability to react from whoever has to go up against it for the duration of the attack doesn't particularly help at all. Faiz Accel has a 10 second time limit and he took out all the Riotroopers with it, both in the show and movie. And sure, feel free to laugh at the Riotroopers, they're not exactly protag rider material, but it was a whole squad of Orphnochs using ability-boosting belts that had no chance to fight back.

The ability to move so fast you dissapear from view and get to attack multiple times in the blink of an eye can be used to both god-dodge and instawin fights, it needs to used by everyone in the setting (Kabuto, Drive) or nerfed so it isn't so big of a problem for the purposes of a roleplay, because otherwise you get a few guys who picked these characters and who are free to employ a get out of jail free card. If you're set on not nerfing these powers for some reason then I'd like to add an Accele-Vent card to my character's repertoire.

@Zero Hex

My problem specifically with clockup is because it's the signature of the Kabuto riders. It IS iconic, that's the biggest problem on that. But anyways, feel free by any means to add the accele-vent card, I have the bind ring on my character for the same reason, while not as effective, it gives me some help.

[Revans Exile]

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There was one person working to make a Decade. Also we have too many people already, I'm sorry.

@Phantom Wanderer

Then you should change the join status to full not apply.

[clanjos]

Join Status can't be changed right now due to a programming bug in the site.

As for Clock Up, maybe just tone it down from "faster than light."

[Phantom Wanderer]

Join Status can't be changed right now due to a programming bug in the site.

As for Clock Up, maybe just tone it down from "faster than light."

@clanjos

Yush, when I put it as full it says invalid, it's a pain. @_@ Anyways...yea, I was thinking on something like that, make it slower.