Bill Nye vs Ken Ham: Fight, Fight, Fight!

[Captain Jordan]

If you didn't already hear, Bill Nye (the Science Guy) is facing off against Ken Ham, founder of the Creation Museum, tonight on live TV. It'll be broadcast on CNN at 7pm EST and on Youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI

I'm really sad, but I'll be missing probably the first hour of this. I have a previous commitment that will keep me out until 7 CST.

Anyone going in person? Or watching on TV/Youtube?

[Turtlicious]

I love Bill Nye, as long as they don't talk about nuclear power he'll be ok.

Dude is dumb as bricks when it comes to nuclear power.

[Turtlicious]

I'm legit excited.

[Beatrix]

Less than a minute
woo.

[NotAMouse]

I literally just checked on Spam because I was certain there would be at least one thread about this.

[Kill Bones]

>Tune in for cool science shit

>It's just a religious circlejerk

I'VE BEEN RUSED

[mdk]

We interrupt this debate for PROSELYTIZATION!!!

[stark]

Bill Nye and his bow tie FTW.

[NotAMouse]

Bill gets points for style.

It's still up for debate on who starts throwing dirty punches first.

[Card]

mdk said
We interrupt this debate for PROSELYTIZATION!!!

Commenting with neutrality, but aren't a lot of things proselytism? Thought provoking question.

[mdk]

Card said
Commenting with neutrality, but aren't a lot of things proselytism? Thought provoking question.

Sure. A lot of things could count as religion, too, and that's a thing worth thinking about; but I get some caterpillars when I hear the gospel presented in an otherwise science-oriented debate. Not the place, imo.

[Captain Jordan]

I just got back, what did I miss?

[Beatrix]

Taaj said
Bill gets points for style.It's still up for debate on who starts throwing dirty punches first.

I think Bill Nye did first with his opening statement, but Ken Ham is continuously throwing jabs.

[mdk]

Captain Jordan said
I just got back, what did I miss?

Bill's opening statement. So far it's been framed as follows:

HAM: Observational science and historical science are different, and the former does not rise solely from the latter
NYE: The distinction between observational and historical science is inaccurate; present experimentation is valid for historical inference, and supports evolution.

Ham's talking a lot about 'science' and 'evolution' and other data sets being 'hijacked' by secularists/naturalists.

[Captain Jordan]

Dogs? Creationism is right because dogs?

Ken Ham's gotta do better than that!

[Card]

What's the prompt? Is it concerning evolution or creationism?

[NotAMouse]

mdk said Ham's talking a lot about 'science' and 'evolution' and other data sets being 'hijacked' by secularists/naturalists.

The battle over definitions of words is the most important. The meaning and interpretation of a word is everything.

[mdk]

Taaj said
The battle over definitions of words is the most important. The meaning and interpretation of a word is everything.

And I have to say that even though I don't think there's evidence to support a claim about six-day creation (Ham prolly has some words about that) -- I have to agree with the distinction. Bill Nye's counterpoint to refute that so far has been 'That show CSI,' which, idunno man, speaking of doing better........

[Beatrix]

Compared to Ken Ham... Bill Nye's presentation started off really weak.

[mdk]

Beatrix said
Compared to Ken Ham... Bill Nye's presentation started off really weak.

to be fair it is Bill's turn now