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@Vordak

I call 'em like I see 'em, and for the facts that no one's ever called him on his bullshit before, and my playing polite hasn't stopped anyone from offering their opinion anyway, I see little point in continuing to be polite.
Don't flatter yourself. Hellish is a word reserved for something that was difficult. You don't spray and pray AOE attacks and expect it to work against someone that actually knows what their doing.


Wasn't flattering myself, was mocking what the Beardforce was capable of. I thought that was rather obvious what with me referencing its abilities to surpass intangible and conceptual barriers but I realize that went over your head. I'll be sure to dumb it down further next time. Fewer big words.

If you're talking about my first two attacks, congratulations, you avoided two AOE attacks, one of which was directly specified to be nowhere near you! You get a gold star.

You're STILL unable to be specific, because you know I have your trapped in your own fibs. I'll ask you one more time punk. To which two players did I lose?


That would be Enki, though I suppose Nergal would call that more of a draw, and Starfall, who sent Pater packing in a far more decisive manner, but not before you choked the life out of the Darko the Dark God thread with the delay.

If Gonad has never fallen, then I was given bad information.

There's the rest of your BS, name calling, and general douchebaggery, and then there's this gem:

That hit is nothing less than a knockout, and no, I never agreed to a match without a judge.


Is that so? Because if you weren't agreeing to the only condition I had before starting this contest, the place to lodge that complaint would've been right here:


You chose not to do so. So either:

1. You willfully ignored my one condition for this fight, led me into combat with the assumption it had been honored, and now you're lying to my face and refusing to look at proof.

2. You agreed to the fight anyway, and only now are whining about it because I won't bow down to your bullshit like the rest of the sheep around here. Too late, too bad.
You say the Beardforce ignores any and all defenses enacted? Let's say Brock Lesnar came over to your house right now, and you had a repeating crossbow. He blocks your bolts with a frying pan or something lying around, walks up in front of you, grabs your weapon, and headbutts you because you didn't do anything to try and gain a tactical advantage. That's not ignoring all defenses enacted, that's taking advantage of someone too rock stupid to know how to defend themselves.


Except the Beardforce is equivalent to Brock Lesnar walking through literally anything I have available in the house, including force fields, shotguns, flamethrowers, rocket launchers, an intangibility suit, and the ability to become a living math equation -- while powering through any and all of that with said frying pan alone -- to headbutt me.

No sane person would expect Mr. Lesnar to make it through a hellish obstacle course such as that with such a simple tool, because it wouldn't work, nor could they be blamed for their surprise when Lesnar powers through everything they threw at him with with a pan, because it's just not done.

So yes in your example, I was quite the moron, but the Beardforce states that nothing can withstand it, not even the fact that I, say, was also Brock Lesnar, headbutting myself.

Now, as for the metagaming claim, I have a few things to say.

You had full access to Gonad's profile and Arena fight history, and full well knew what you were getting into.


Once again, I point to this:

I'll admit I made some assumptions about how the Beardforce works, thanks to the specific wording therein, namely:

The Beardforce is based upon Gonad's perception of an opponent...


...which led me to believe that the Beardforce had calculated and adjusted Gonad's speed and power based on how strong he perceived Lobo Negro to be, and what he imagined him to be capable of after their first few exchanges in the fight itself, instead of by hopping over to the Character thread to read his sheet.


And as for access to all of your arena history? I don't read previous fights if I can avoid it. This isn't MMA -- I am not the one fighting -- so while me brushing up on your past matches to try to formulate a plan of action might be considered a viable strategy, in my opinion it's only an attempt to fill my own head with preconceptions about your character that my character honestly has no right to know beforehand, because they've never met.

Even if I were to fight you again, I'd feel uncomfortable using anyone but Lobo, because through my own head that character would enter the ring filled with the knowledge of how Lobo's match went, intentionally or unintentionally, and I would not want to chance that influencing my writing. Lobo, win or lose, has earned that knowledge, so anything I write from a second encounter is fair game.

Now truth be told I have seen one of your fights before, but that was only because you actively fought someone else in another thread I'd joined, and you lost that fight -- intentionally or not -- because your opponent refused to be bullied by the same shit you're using here, namely trying to ignore everything they did in their power to impede you, as you tried to tell them, time and time again, how effective their own attacks were against you, despite their every attempt to explain otherwise. Yeah, and eventually you took the loss and left, but not until you'd all but killed the thread with your sidetracking bullshit, and believe me if I'd remembered that you were the one behind that shit, I'd never have slogged into the mud here with you.

If anything you're the one trying to powergame, by trying to have Lobo simply ignore a blow to his skull from a guy that makes a living killing things with unarmed blunt force bludgeoning. Get fucking real.


I will quote back at you again, with even further emphasis:

Powergaming is telling someone for a fact that you know their character isn't able to take a hit simply because they learned a few special abilities during their years of exhaustive, physical combat training, except --

Those who master [the Eight Styles] are purported to possess supernatural powers, able to run across thin air, walk unharmed through storms of bullets, pierce the hulls of battleships with their bare hands, wield the air itself as a blade, harden their skin like iron, and move at superhuman speeds.


-- he did.


I will admit in my rush to edit I neglected to mention any effects that the headbutt might have had on Lobo himself beyond the impact he took, but to ignore the blow entirely would've been to a) not include any mention if it or b) to actually state that it had zero effect, that it didn't even move his head back.

I'm not ignoring the fact that Gonad "makes a living killing things with headbutts". I accepted that fact and proposed that Lobo's own physical training allows him to fight back. You, on the other hand, are not only ignoring, but outright rejecting, the possibility that the physical training that any other character Gonad faces could possibly allow them to compare to him on a purely physical level.

'The Beardforce knows.' Are you serious? Now you're just phrasing shit in a way that sounds unfair to you. It's an equalization power that lets Gonad hurt morons like you who don't know how to take proper hits...


It's not an equalization power. You aren't leveling the playing field, you aren't taking advantage of someone who doesn't know how to defend themselves, and you are absolutely full of shit to claim that was what you wanted. If that were the case Gonad would exist solely to participate exclusively a low-level, no-powers combat where there ARE no powers to get in the way of his headbutts, no superhuman powers to equalize. What you want is to impose your will on your opponents who have in good faith undertaken defensive methods which would in fact serve them in a great many situations against most any character except yours, all because you want to pretend to be a one trick pony.

If the entire point of your character is to pull non-physical fighters out of their wheelhouse to beat them you never had any intention of engaging them in the first place.

And if it IS an equalization power? I'm still not taking the knockout because of your very decisive wording:

Just think of the Beardforce as a scouter that can't be fooled. It doesn't peek into your little character sheet as if it had those little bouncy googly eyes. It measures how much latent power a character has and bolsters Gonad up to that level so that a bout can end decisively and with as little beating around the bush as possible.


You equalize my power. Fine. You counter my energy powers, fine, the hardening technique I described is based wholly physical (go hit up Iron Shirt on the google to get an idea) so even if you get through the helmet, I'm not defenseless. You want a decisive end with 'as little beating around the bush as possible', but in your own words, that still ain't necessarily instant.

I'll walk back my counterattack, but I'm still not taking that knockout.

And quit asking for a ruling on your post. I may have implicitly agreed to a match with your character sheet, but you explicitly agreed to fight me without a judge.
I really don't understand this logic. You're quoting supernatural powers like running across thin air, ignoring bullets, punching through ridiculous layers of steel, using nothing to fight something, tank incredible hits and move superfast..

..but you're going to call a supernatural ability bullshit?


None of my listed powers are instantly scale-able to match someone else's character sheet.

You can claim it's metagame but Gonad himself doesn't gain any actual knowledge. He doesn't know what your character can do, he doesn't gain any insight.


He doesn't need to gain the insight himself, it's inherent in the Beardforce, which explicitly DOES gain that insight, or else how can it match power to power? Who the fuck cares if I know how much weight Spider-Man can lift? Compare that to the number of people who would care if I could instantly lift the exact same amount that Spider-Man can lift. I don't personally need to know what that number is to be able to instantly throw a car.

Leveling the field to a battle of actual skill and not "My powers are infinity and yours are punching things therefore you instantly lose"


Except that for the fact that he can punch through any supernatural defense, punch intangible creatures and abstract concepts, that is literally exactly what he is himself doing. Instantly gaining the power to match an opponent is leveling the playing field. Ignoring any and all defenses an opponent could possibly enact (on top of the fact that his physical blows cannot be guarded against in any form) means he is not just leveling the playing field, but damn near clearing the opposite side of the board.
Ho. LEE. Shit. Do you even know how to read?

Once again YOUR OWN POST mentions helmets being used to absorb the force of Hu headbutts.

I mentioned that two of our members have beaten you, I never mentioned which two. You assumed I meant Sky, you assumed I'd read his fight, so don't go putting words in my mouth or knowledge in my head.

And you're right. The Beardforce isn't power gaming. Powergaming is telling someone for a fact that you know their character isn't able to take a hit simply because they learned a few special abilities during their years of exhaustive, physical combat training, except --

Those who master [the Eight Styles] are purported to possess supernatural powers, able to run across thin air, walk unharmed through storms of bullets, pierce the hulls of battleships with their bare hands, wield the air itself as a blade, harden their skin like iron, and move at superhuman speeds.


-- he did.

No, the Beardforce is this:

Meta-Game - Using Out Of Character knowledge and information in character. Blatant unjustified actions is prohibited pertaining to precise disassembling of a character or ability/power they control. Retroactions and Precognition fall under this category. Information your character does not have access to constitutes as Meta-gaming.

Your Beardforce being able to know everything about a character's maximum strength, speed, and durability, as well as the exact amount of power you need to overcome all of that, with nothing but a glance is utterly broken. I gave you the benefit of the doubt in assuming your power worked wholly on your own observation. Either it works on Gonad's observation, which is at best an estimate, or it can see far beyond his own eyes, directly into the character sheet to make its own measurements.
You're going to find your head lashing back. Now, this helmet may be designed to absorb impact force, but that doesn't mean he halts all force being directed against him Lobo's helmet is not Captain America's shield, it's not going to stop everything dead on impact.


Holy shit, thank YOU, kind sir or madam, in deciding FOR ME just how resistant my own character's gear is to impacts, as well as its ability to absorb them before distributing the force back to the wearer!

I understand everyone wanting to come to your pal's defense, but with all due respect, please mind your own business. None of you have any vested interest in this and I'm quite sure Doc can argue for himself, which was why I clearly stated that there were to be no judges.

Kindly back the hell up.
@Vordak

I know how helmets work, which was why, once again, I specifically stated that mine was designed to resist impacts, and not just shock. Run a car into a stop sign you will flatten it. Run a car into a bollard specifically designed to stop vehicles and you will total your ride and possibly kill yourself.

Lobo's helmet is specially modified to resist impacts, by way of treating it in an energy designed to absorb and dull them.

Lobo's head snapped back as a reaction to an action, and I felt justified, by way of my understanding of how his attack was functioning, in determining for myself how heavy the impact was.

As for the Beardforce, I already covered in my earlier argument.
@Doc Doctor

OKAY, time to clear this up.

I did read your profile, believe me, and I'll admit I made some assumptions about how the Beardforce works, thanks to the specific wording therein, namely:

The Beardforce is based upon Gonad's perception of an opponent...


...which led me to believe that the Beardforce had calculated and adjusted Gonad's speed and power based on how strong he perceived Lobo Negro to be, and what he imagined him to be capable of after their first few exchanges in the fight itself, instead of by hopping over to the Character thread to read his sheet. That was my bad, I should have asked for clarification, but hey, now I know. But even after that I wracked my brain, trying to figure out just how it had gotten past me that the vaunted Beardforce ignored any and all obstacles between it and its target when it finally hit me, once again, in your own words:

...Even through helmets Gonad's blows have proven their potency, for although such things may absorb shock and prevent superficial injury, they do not do much slow the rate at which the brain bounces off its protective walls...


How else was I to understand that other than to mean that Gonad’s blows, presumably empowered by the Beardforce since you made no mention otherwise, have been softened by helmets before? Or that another helmet, once further reinforced to resist impact as well as shocks, would somehow prove wholly ineffective when your own post states the opposite? Yeah, you made mention that the brain was directly knocked even though the helmet worked but I just figured that was you not understanding that the shock of an impact IS, what knocks the brain around to cause a concussion, so I ignored it. Again, my bad, aparently.

All told, your sheet said one thing, your post said another, so I followed your post and reacted accordingly. If you're telling me now that I should have followed the sheet, after the wording of your post falsely led meto believe that I was enacting an actionable defense, then by all means I will follow the sheet from now on, and I will edit my post yet again to reflect this new information.

What I won't do is allow myself to be written into a corner because your post contradicts either itself, your character sheet, or both.
Feel free. I constantly run back through old posts to correct my grammar...
An opinion is indeed an opinion, and I've got my own. I still don't need a judge here, if this has gone down the way it has, so be it, but I'm not yet convinced that it has. I have my own piece to say, when I'm less tired and able to more ably explain myself.
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