WilsonTurner said
Meh, looks like new scanners will have to be grown to find the entrance and the exit of these drives, then. Then I can gas planets!

Not all planets are Jews, man.

Calm down, Hitler.

Guess I'll have to get working on that inter-universal drive and holing up inside my own space then!

I was gonna do that, Keyguy .-.

Also, Wilson, how could you tail me if my fleet at OP was there BEFORE you even joined this rp..

Keyguy if you see this I need you on steam now

because they are everywhere, and they don't care :3 And just because they weren't in the roleplay doesn't mean they didn't exist before.

They will find people who never thought to be found, simply because they're just looking at activity reports and saying "Oh there's something there!" and then going over there, finding any planets that have a good gravitational pull, a couple choice gases, and then they terraform it into a lush, hostile, unbreathable-to-all-but-the-terraformers world.

Hitler had a reason for trying to wipe out the Jewish; whether he just didn't like them (emotional reason), he thought them imperfect, a blight on society (Logical reason [to him]), or something else.
These are much worse. They are not killing you off for any other reason that you are living, and you are on planets that they could live on instead of you. And that's enough reason to exterminate you, because you're competing for real estate.

Uh... you know one of Hitlers 'something else' was the same reason as your seeders (Hitler called it Lebensraum, which means 'living space'), so you aren't really right about them being any worse, they are just doing what Hitler did so.
And to be fair, I would say that killing someone for their land is less evil than killing them because they are of a different race, seeing as how dozens upon dozens of our wars have been to kick people out and take their land. Genocide because you think a race of your own species doesn't deserve to live is infinitely worse
What the seeders are doing is exactly what Hitler did. They are killing off a race (or rather, species in this case) to make room for their own race (species in this case), and when you think about, both think the others are less important (Clearly the seeders feel superior and more important as they are displacing them to make way for themselves)
Its hard to say they are worse than Hitler because we don't really understand what went on inside his head and probably never will. Or, you know, its possible he was completely sane and it is just the nature of neb to butcher each other . Really, the only way you can say someone is worse than Hitler would be to go on facts and figures along, and that isn't too useful. I suppose you could do it by comparing him with another evil dictator such as Stalin, but again we don't entirely know what was going on (then you can make the argument that Stalin was Hitlers fault because Stalin became obsessed with the idea that the Nazis would invade the USSR. Then you can argue Stalin thought he would be the lesser of two evils because Hitler also hated the Russian people and might try to kill them all like he wrote in Mein Kampf, and Stalin wanted to protect his people and thought the only way to do so would be through tough love... Very, very tough love.)

That's true, though one cannot really say good or evil; all sides commit some kind of goodness, and all sides commit some kind of badness. Right or wrong is not something humans should debate about, because both sides are imperfect, and have little true 'good.' Democracy has a single class ruling everyone else and taking advantage of them, through exploits, while a government-ruling class simply just rules outright, and takes everything.

The Seeders don't think themselves superior, because they don't have a relationship to their victims. For them, it's just Ant & Boot. The Boot doesn't care, as long as the Ants are all removed and can take their land.

Keyguy, I need you on steam naow. Need to discuss a few things.

If someone saw my typo before the edit, please do not mind.
Also, blaze it.

"20 million worlds"
I didn't know such high numbers are already a standard. I thought that with the Orc's size of 1 million planets from controlling an entire galaxy that my amount would be sufficient enough to count as in the superior levels, but...
eh...
oh look i'm a fucking ant.
Permission to revise that number in my latest IC post to 7 million?

20 Million is the entire pact together, but if you want to revise up to 3-4 million so your closer to the Equestrians im fine with that.

The Garnosh Galaxy, Orc home galaxy, has one million planets in total compared to the Milky Way which, in real life, is estimated to have around 100 billion planets, so if anyone is in ant here it'll be me. Out of interest, which nation is the smallest?

Alright. Revising count.

CommandoKhan said
The Garnosh Galaxy, Orc home galaxy, has one million planets in total compared to the Milky Way which, in real life, is estimated to have around 100 billion planets, so if anyone is in ant here it'll be me. Out of interest, which nation is the smallest?

I think somewhere in this RP there was a mention that the Zonanese Empire only had like 17 worlds. Not sure if 17 or 170 though, but regardless of which, then the Zonanese Empire is the smallest.
Also, take note that out of all 100 billion planets in the Milky Way, only a small percentage is actually habitable. Unless you also seek dead planets for mining, you pretty much won't get hold of that vast number.

And note about your recent post, Duck. I thought the battle hasn't started yet.

Sazkarjhia they only have three planets.

I'm going to call BS if the EA has more them 20mil worlds, or larger fleets then the Equestrians. They don't have the same capabilities and technologies and again suffered a Civil War that provably put a halt to progress on most things, including expansion.

Zonan has more than about 5000 worlds in their territory, but they only have colonized around 1-1.5 thousand. sorry for inactivity, I'm making a post later tonight, not now though. Got no time.

Duck, be reminded of the resourcefulness and hardiness of humans. During the civil war, weapons and vehicles that were never developed elsewhere were created, and after the Civil War, all the US had was growth, growth, growth.

And while there may be so many worlds, I don't think it would be plausible for them to all be united under a single banner, government, or alliance. There are always opposing groups; while it may be likely they'll say they're part of a particular treaty, I don't think they'll be united. On at least a dozen worlds in a thousand, there would be a different social system, whether socialist, communist, fascist, etc.
There is no way to keep hold of that many planets, for anyone. Where there are creatures that have opinions and ideas that oppose someone else's, there will be division, and there will be separation. The only reason my nation is united is because they're all half-sentient, dreamy and slow to respond, mainly controlled as a hivemind type of entity.

Summary: I don't think it reasonable that all conflicts would be between nation/group vs. nation/group. I think the majority of conflicts would be just keeping the entire nation in one entity, rather than a fracture or something.

If its sentient then it pretty resourceful. I really hate when Sci-Fi pulls the trope of the humans being the best innovators and designers.

Also even if he does have that many planets, which I doubt, there probably counting worlds that are just backwater or only have a single outpost. When I say 20 Million im only taking about worlds that are fully developed, there is many more that are claimed but aren't. Its like the AIF is counting oranges and apples as apart of the count of planets but Equestria is only counting oranges.

Then saying that you have 20 Million should mean that at least 5 of those would more than likely have some kind of resistance, from flat-out refusal to help with conflicts that have nothing to do with themselves, to just making it difficult to get organized and moved out.

Saying 20 Million would be like saying you have an organization that has 20 million members. Will everyone work together, and do what the leader tells them to?

Humanity in this rp has already split three times over, so Wilson is kind of right there. Need we mention two massive common sense wars?

Regardless, I am just going to say "Massive sprawling empire" and then you know the collective is a massive sprawling empire and we needn't get into numbers