[OOC] This, That, and The Other Thing ~ PopeAlessandros x Jiskastya

[PopeAlessandros]

Oki day. SO! Where you wanna start? You don't like the color idea, if I'm following you correctly, so perhaps we could brainstorm some other words?

[Jiskastya]

We could, but I feel like we might want to backtrack a bit to avoid future complications.

Could we talk a bit about the weave, and what it means? I feel like we may be holding different images of what the weave is, what it means, and how it affects things, and that may be casing a large part of the difference in our viewpoints.

[PopeAlessandros]

Hmmm. . . . .I like keeping things simple. To me, the weave, as you call it, is the mix of energies that come together to make what we want them to make. Each weave is created in perfect balance, and even though Tahaan or Aysus can add or subtract positive and negative energy from the creation, the base composition will never change. Light will always be light, though adding a certain energy will change it's brightness or color. The bits are matter, and though Tahaan is changing them by adding negative energy and mixing them together, they will always be matter. I personally don't wanna go more technical than that. I am a fantasy writer, not a scientist :P

However, I am interested in your side of this. What does the weave mean to you?

[Jiskastya]

To me, while it is not more scientific, it is a lot more complex. The weave is to me a literal weaving of the threads of the universe, rather like one would weave a quilt. Except this weave does not simply go over and under. It is more like a... 3D weave. But the nature of the weave determines what something is, and even a tiny shift in the weave makes it into something new. Every tiny, infinitesimal part of the weave forms the identity of the thing that it composes.

Also, you say you are a fantasy writer, but then you start talking about CO2 and O2, and changing the matter being like changing an atom. I get confused.

[PopeAlessandros]

We determined that, nothing "New" can be made unless both are working together. The changes I'm talking about. . . . . Say that when matter was made, it was made with all the potential to become any KIND of matter. Small shifts in the energy can change them that little bit. But, say. . .We make wood. Nothing can change that from being wood. Even when turned to coal, it is still wood. However, others can turns that wood into coal, or into a sculpture, or into a house. That's what I see Tahaan doing. He's taking the building blocks and, int he wood example, shaving and carving it, fitting it together with others, and making the thing already there into something different without actually changing it. He is not changing the weave, not at all. The weave is the very fiber of the bit, he's just messing with the aspects of the bit, like changing wood to coal. Make sense? If not, again, I'd like to hear what you think. Also, about the CO2 and stuff, I was just plucking a random example to try and explain, but I guess I failed :P

[Jiskastya]

See, that's the thing, though. I see coal and wood as being completely separate things by the weave. Just as I see living wood as being different from dead wood, and different types of wood as being a whole different weave as well. That is how precise and how detailed the weave is.

"Matter," therefore, is the most vague of concepts. It is the presence of something physical. But it is not possible to make any of the things in our world that are physical just through matter, without first making a new weave, and one that is more intricate, because it needs to include more elements. I don't see Tahaan and Aysus as making building blocks, and then tweaking them and combining them to make new things, I see every unique thing in the universe as being a whole separate weave.

See? Complicated. lol

[PopeAlessandros]

Would you hate me if I said I really don't like the idea of going that in depth? If we get so detailed, it could take is three years IRL before even making the first humanoid, and while I like this building fun, having other characters is also a very appealing thought. Wood is wood, color is color, fire is fire, water is water. . . . I just. . . . . .I like what we're doing, but I don't wanna spend forever on it, nor do I wanna skip over huge portions of timeline just so we can get to the other things our characters can do, like interact with another sentient creature.

EDIT: Also, I may pass out soon, so do not think I am mad if a suddenly vanish :P

[Jiskastya]

Sorry for the delay!

My concern with all of that is in degree. What separates earth from matter? By creating matter, we've basically covered everything physical, and that is, in reality, most of our world.

I don't think it is necessary for us to roleplay out every time our characters weave. There are going to be times when they, a) weave multiple things at once or b) we simply say that they did it. Right now we are describing every weaving because it is highly significant. I don't think that the weaving is always going to be that important to the story. At that point, it won't matter if our characters have to weave everything for the first time, because we won't be having to describe all of it. There will be other things that primarily take up our focus.

[PopeAlessandros]

"What separates earth from matter?"

I have the feeling that the best way to resolve this is to remove any mention of Tahaan changing the matter and instead replace it with the disappointment that he can't change it. My math indicates that earth = weave + matter. Tahaan can not make earth because he can not weave alone. He can however put pieces of matter together to make big bulky clumps of matter. This matter does nothing, it's like flour I guess. Alone, flour is just a bland, tasteless chalk, but by adding different thing you can make cake and breading :P I'll just scrub out the ability to change the energy in the matter, it'll make this problem go away I hope.

[Jiskastya]

Yes, that is fair. I could see that. It is kind of a mixture of what I proposed with what you see, because things can be refined into other things, but only through weaving. So a thing that exists still needs to be woven to become something new, but that doesn't mean that the thing that exists isn't still a part of it.

Cool.

[PopeAlessandros]

I'll go hack up my posts now. This may take a bit.

[Jiskastya]

You know the drill. Let me know when you are done.

[PopeAlessandros]

Okay, all hacked up. I changed the last three posts so there is no mention of changing the nature of the bits.

[Jiskastya]

Cool. Thanks.

I'll try and get you a reply with all haste, but I apparently suck at that.

[PopeAlessandros]

Don't worry, you take your time. I'll be here.

[PopeAlessandros]

Awwww, looks like Tahaan's gonna hafta make Aysus feel betters :P

[Jiskastya]

Aysus doesn't exactly feel bad. Its emotions are not particularly... heightened. It is just, you know, frustrated. I'm almost curious to see what Tahaan is going to try and do, though. I'm not sure it will help, which is part of the reason I'm excited.

[Jiskastya]

We reached two pages. Lol.

What do we want to do now? We can keep playing with matter, and start the basis of the first planet, if you want. I think soon we should make a star, combining the weave for the light and matter. And then make heat and cold. Sound good to you?

[PopeAlessandros]

Hah. I can see Tahaan turning into some kind of comet when he races around the universe once heat and cold are created :P So, we'd mix light and matter, then wrap the star up with a new weave to make heat, and cold would be the result everywhere else but near the star, right?

[Jiskastya]

Correct.

I'm not sure how ready Aysus is for all of this, but it's never really ready for anything... Ah, well. What should I post.