Wait, so we're allowed to roll, but if we roll above 20 pt buy, we have to use 20 pt buy, and if we rolled below we get to use 20 pt buy.. Because one person was unhappy? :/
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The 42nd Gecko said
Wait, so we're allowed to roll, but if we roll above 20 pt buy, we have to use 20 pt buy, and if we rolled below we get to use 20 pt buy.. Because one person was unhappy?
I think he is just asking you to due to the discrepancy in power rather than telling.
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Yeah, but it means I can't use my Kirin style, as it's a sub-optimal style that was only going to work because of my ridiculous stats. Sigh, someday, Kirin Style Monk, someday.
Guess I'll roll a no weapon Barbarian or something.
Guess I'll roll a no weapon Barbarian or something.
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Dropping down in power is optional, you can keep the rolled stats if you want. It's more I'm giving those who are unhappy with their rolled stats a boost if they want it, so there is not problem with actually trying to roll. I have also retracted asking people to drop down if they got higher than a 20 pb character.
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Sorry, I get kinda pissy late at night, I should have been more polite in how I worded my last post. Thank you for letting me use point buy though- I'm happy to let the dice fall where they may during the actual gameplay, but I like having more control during character creation.
Anyway, here's my character, let me know if I should change things:
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=979606
The way I picture his magic working is through direct aid from the assorted spirits that surround him, and for some reason I picture them as tiny little monstrous looking humanoids (that vary quite a bit in shape from one to another) all wearing some sort of head covering, be it the skull from a small animal or a carved bit of wood or a hollow stone with holes for eyes. They're totally intangible and effectively just a bit of visual fluff, but for example if he casts spark to light something on fire, one of the spirits might jump onto the object and with a tiny roar that only Sujurak / his allies can hear, breath a torrent of sparks on the object. If he casts mage hand (which he got from a trait) then it would just be a group of little spirits flying and holding the object, likely born aloft on tiny little bird wings with feathers carved from wood or other material.
Ooh, also, is it okay if we use stuff from the Book of Vile Darkness? There was some awesome stuff for villains in there.
Anyway, here's my character, let me know if I should change things:
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=979606
The way I picture his magic working is through direct aid from the assorted spirits that surround him, and for some reason I picture them as tiny little monstrous looking humanoids (that vary quite a bit in shape from one to another) all wearing some sort of head covering, be it the skull from a small animal or a carved bit of wood or a hollow stone with holes for eyes. They're totally intangible and effectively just a bit of visual fluff, but for example if he casts spark to light something on fire, one of the spirits might jump onto the object and with a tiny roar that only Sujurak / his allies can hear, breath a torrent of sparks on the object. If he casts mage hand (which he got from a trait) then it would just be a group of little spirits flying and holding the object, likely born aloft on tiny little bird wings with feathers carved from wood or other material.
Ooh, also, is it okay if we use stuff from the Book of Vile Darkness? There was some awesome stuff for villains in there.
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Solace - "My father told me to stand up for what I believe in. I believe in vengeance. Get out of my way."
Female Human Monk(Master of Many Styles) 1
NE Medium Humanoid(Human)
Init +2; Senses Perception +0
XP:0
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DEFENSE
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AC 12, touch 12, flat-footed 10. . (+2 Dex)
hp 9 (1d8+1)
Fort +3, Ref +4, Will +2
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OFFENSE
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Spd 30 ft.
Melee Unarmed Strike +5 (1d6+5 +1d4 bleed/B)
Ranged
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STATISTICS
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Str 20, Dex 14, Con 12, Int 18, Wis 11, Cha 11
Base Atk +0; CMB +5; CMD 17
Feats Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist, Kirin Style, Bleeding Attack
Skills Climb +9, Knowledge (Arcana, Dungeoneering, Local, Nature, Planes) +5, Knowledge (Religion) +8, Spellcraft +5
Languages Common, Varisian, Shoanti, Tien, Draconic
Combat Gear Zilch
Other Gear Nada
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SPECIAL ABILITIES
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Racial Stuff:
+2 to two stats.
Feats:
Improved Unarmed Strike: Unarmed strikes count as armed.
Stunning Fist: 1/day, declare before to hit, if unarmed strike hits, DC 11 or be stunned
Kirin Style: Get into style as swift action. As swift action, attempt to identify a creature with a Knowledge check, DC 15+CR. If successful, +2 on saving throws and AC for AoO vs that target till the fight/style ends.
Bleeding Attack: 1d4 bleed damage on unarmed strikes.
Monk Stuff:
Unarmed Damage: 1d6 on unarmed attacks.
AC Bonus: When unarmored and unencumbered, add Wis to AC and CMD... No wis, so no bonus.
Fuse Styles: Use two styles at once! Useless with only one style.
Traits:
Magical Knack (Magus): +2 CL up to current hit dice with Magus.
Metamagic Master: -1 to Metamagic Costs on Shocking Grasp
Solace was taught the mixed eastern styles of combat from Sunaki (Monk stuff in general, Tien), her Tian-Min godfather, as well as her father's brutal Chelaxian pugilism (Bleeding Attack). However, while she keenly learned the form of Sunaki's martial arts, and began developing her own combination of martial arts, her mother's teachings, with her father's techniques (Kirin Style), her pride and anger prevented her from learning the true art of the monk's ways (Low Wis on a monk).
In her youth, before the events precipitating her training by Sunaki and her father's death, her intelligence was her most prominent factor. Her mother, Luminita, attempted to train Solace to be a wizard and scholar, much like herself(Magical Knack and Metamagic Master as well as vast array of Knowledge skills, spellcraft, and Solace's other bonus languages). Solace has not forgotten these lessons despite her hesitation to use them, wishing to use primarily her father's techniques to take vengeance for him.
And here is the stuff for fellow players, things they would likely know if they keep an eye about the prison/chain gang.
Background: On a path of bloody vengeance for her father, Solace has left a trail of several bodies in her search for her father's killers. She was arrested for the murders of several lowlife, who, while scum, did not deserve death in the eyes of the law.
Apparent Personality: In prison, she has demonstrated her overwhelming pride and anger. She is aggressive and easily falls for taunts. With little patience, it is easy to push her buttons. One just has to make sure you can survive her "witty" rebuke.
Appearance: Appearing at first glance as a fit young Varisian of little deviation from the standard, bronze skin and lithe skin with long straight black hair. However, upon closer examination, she shares the piercing small dark eyes, thin arched eyebrows, and sharp nose of her Chelaxian blood. Her body also goes past the nicely taught but still soft appearance often preferred by men of their women and into sharply defined muscles of a harshly strong fighter. She also holds the appearance of someone who hasn't quite learned how to duck but doesn't quite care, bearing several fresh scars in her flesh, one on her brow, another two in her gut, and one on her upper left arm, in addition to an array of old scars and callouses on her hands.
Female Human Monk(Master of Many Styles) 1
NE Medium Humanoid(Human)
Init +2; Senses Perception +0
XP:0
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DEFENSE
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AC 12, touch 12, flat-footed 10. . (+2 Dex)
hp 9 (1d8+1)
Fort +3, Ref +4, Will +2
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OFFENSE
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Spd 30 ft.
Melee Unarmed Strike +5 (1d6+5 +1d4 bleed/B)
Ranged
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STATISTICS
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Str 20, Dex 14, Con 12, Int 18, Wis 11, Cha 11
Base Atk +0; CMB +5; CMD 17
Feats Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist, Kirin Style, Bleeding Attack
Skills Climb +9, Knowledge (Arcana, Dungeoneering, Local, Nature, Planes) +5, Knowledge (Religion) +8, Spellcraft +5
Languages Common, Varisian, Shoanti, Tien, Draconic
Combat Gear Zilch
Other Gear Nada
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SPECIAL ABILITIES
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Racial Stuff:
+2 to two stats.
Feats:
Improved Unarmed Strike: Unarmed strikes count as armed.
Stunning Fist: 1/day, declare before to hit, if unarmed strike hits, DC 11 or be stunned
Kirin Style: Get into style as swift action. As swift action, attempt to identify a creature with a Knowledge check, DC 15+CR. If successful, +2 on saving throws and AC for AoO vs that target till the fight/style ends.
Bleeding Attack: 1d4 bleed damage on unarmed strikes.
Monk Stuff:
Unarmed Damage: 1d6 on unarmed attacks.
AC Bonus: When unarmored and unencumbered, add Wis to AC and CMD... No wis, so no bonus.
Fuse Styles: Use two styles at once! Useless with only one style.
Traits:
Magical Knack (Magus): +2 CL up to current hit dice with Magus.
Metamagic Master: -1 to Metamagic Costs on Shocking Grasp
Solace was taught the mixed eastern styles of combat from Sunaki (Monk stuff in general, Tien), her Tian-Min godfather, as well as her father's brutal Chelaxian pugilism (Bleeding Attack). However, while she keenly learned the form of Sunaki's martial arts, and began developing her own combination of martial arts, her mother's teachings, with her father's techniques (Kirin Style), her pride and anger prevented her from learning the true art of the monk's ways (Low Wis on a monk).
In her youth, before the events precipitating her training by Sunaki and her father's death, her intelligence was her most prominent factor. Her mother, Luminita, attempted to train Solace to be a wizard and scholar, much like herself(Magical Knack and Metamagic Master as well as vast array of Knowledge skills, spellcraft, and Solace's other bonus languages). Solace has not forgotten these lessons despite her hesitation to use them, wishing to use primarily her father's techniques to take vengeance for him.
And here is the stuff for fellow players, things they would likely know if they keep an eye about the prison/chain gang.
Background: On a path of bloody vengeance for her father, Solace has left a trail of several bodies in her search for her father's killers. She was arrested for the murders of several lowlife, who, while scum, did not deserve death in the eyes of the law.
Apparent Personality: In prison, she has demonstrated her overwhelming pride and anger. She is aggressive and easily falls for taunts. With little patience, it is easy to push her buttons. One just has to make sure you can survive her "witty" rebuke.
Appearance: Appearing at first glance as a fit young Varisian of little deviation from the standard, bronze skin and lithe skin with long straight black hair. However, upon closer examination, she shares the piercing small dark eyes, thin arched eyebrows, and sharp nose of her Chelaxian blood. Her body also goes past the nicely taught but still soft appearance often preferred by men of their women and into sharply defined muscles of a harshly strong fighter. She also holds the appearance of someone who hasn't quite learned how to duck but doesn't quite care, bearing several fresh scars in her flesh, one on her brow, another two in her gut, and one on her upper left arm, in addition to an array of old scars and callouses on her hands.
I do not know pathfinder very well, my character is either a necromancer cleric, a follower of Urgathoa who will spend the entire campaign trying to convert Primal Conundrum, or a Master Summoner who honestly just trying to take over the world.
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OOCly, I hope you're aware that Sujurak isn't going to get converted :P He actually interacts with the spirits that help him out, he sees them and hears them chittering around. The way that Sujurak will be interacting with the dead will be basically sending these spirits into corpses to animate them and such.
I have so many ideas for spells and the like involving shrunken heads :D
I have so many ideas for spells and the like involving shrunken heads :D
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How often can you guys post? I just need to know how fast this thing will move. We seem to be pretty active right now, but I tnk that will change when everything gets running.
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Omega-Necrocleric or Summoner (Undead Themed Eidolon? Just a suggestion)
Allassya-Diplomancer
The 42nd Gecko-Kirin Monk
Primal Conundrum-Spirit Cleric
Mattmanganon is all filled up for his RP slots, so he had to drop out. How do you guys feel about DM PCs? And a friend of mine is looking to join, but he's taking his sweet time signing up. With him and a DM PC we could hit my maximum of 6 players or we could start now. What do you guys think?
Players
Omega-Necrocleric or Summoner (Undead Themed Eidolon? Just a suggestion)
Allassya-Diplomancer
The 42nd Gecko-Kirin Monk
Primal Conundrum-Spirit Cleric
Mattmanganon is all filled up for his RP slots, so he had to drop out. How do you guys feel about DM PCs? And a friend of mine is looking to join, but he's taking his sweet time signing up. With him and a DM PC we could hit my maximum of 6 players or we could start now. What do you guys think?
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I'm at a computer most of the time, so pretty much as often as we need from me.
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You are definitely a fast poster Primal. You ninja'd my edit. :P You may want to look at that post again.
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I've never trusted myself to run a PC when I DM, and in the groups where the DMs I had needed more people they just got people to play multiple characters.
If you think you can do a DM-run PC and be fair about it, that's fine- it's just normally too much of a conflict of interests for most.
Oh also, is Book of Vile Darkness okay to use?
If you think you can do a DM-run PC and be fair about it, that's fine- it's just normally too much of a conflict of interests for most.
Oh also, is Book of Vile Darkness okay to use?
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You know, there is rarely a time for the PCs to use such a specialized supplement. I say go for it.
What do you mean by conflict of interests? I've never heard that before.
What do you mean by conflict of interests? I've never heard that before.
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It's just that it's going to be tempting and so easy for the DM to favour his own character in some way, be it through putting in loot that is perfect for what his character could use, fudging the dice rolls to save his own character, etc. Again, if you can do it then awesome, but for a lot of DMs it's super hard to treat their characters the same way as the player characters.
I love the BoVD :D The alternate curses that they have in there are delicious! Also, one of my spell domains is from there, for some REAL dark juju.
I love the BoVD :D The alternate curses that they have in there are delicious! Also, one of my spell domains is from there, for some REAL dark juju.
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Isn't the BoVD 3rd edition?
You might need to do some serious updating to get it all the way up to 3.75.
Also, with those alternate curses, a lot of them have the undesired effect of hurting bystanders without giving those bystanders a defense. That means, when you cast bestow curse on level one peasant... suddenly, you've mind controlled the next opponent you face into wasting his first turn on the peasant, regardless of how good that person's will save is.
You might need to do some serious updating to get it all the way up to 3.75.
Also, with those alternate curses, a lot of them have the undesired effect of hurting bystanders without giving those bystanders a defense. That means, when you cast bestow curse on level one peasant... suddenly, you've mind controlled the next opponent you face into wasting his first turn on the peasant, regardless of how good that person's will save is.
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I'll do the necessary conversions. Also, my friend is working on the character as we speak. Ran into a little trouble with the dice room.
OP
Stupid double post.
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The 42nd Gecko said
Isn't the BoVD 3rd edition?You might need to do some serious updating to get it all the way up to 3.75.Also, with those alternate curses, a lot of them have the undesired effect of hurting bystanders without giving those bystanders a defense. That means, when you cast bestow curse on level one peasant... suddenly, you've mind controlled the next opponent you face into wasting his first turn on the peasant, regardless of how good that person's will save is.
I'm not sure what version of the curse or what odd twisting of events could lead to that effect. The only curse effect that I think you could be referencing is the one the next person they meet hates them, but that doesn't force them to attack them or anything. Not to mention, you'd have to drag the peasant around so that you could suddenly throw him out to meet your next opponent, while keeping him sealed off from interaction until then.
Also, to balance a lot of those things, all the DM needs to do is allow saves for the secondary targets involved. Pretty dead simple to house rule, actually.
I do see Sujurak using evil spell components when he can, though. He's got claws as a racial weapon, if an enemy humanoid is already dead he could be pretty quick about tearing their heart out (probably a Heal skillcheck, can be done untrained to pull it out without damaging beyond use as a spell component) or carving off a finger to use to try to modify a spell.
Also, the willing deformity feats and vile magic / just dark magic in general are awesome.
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Oh yeah, no debate, I was just using them as an example that updating would be necessary.
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Honestly I think the only part that really will need any update is what qualifies as a level 0 spell, since in pathfinder most classes can cast prepared 0 level spells all they want and the 0 level stuff in BoVD isn't balanced around that.
I have this mental image of Sujurak almost doing a parody scene of a Disney Princess, doing some big (and fairly macabre) song number, and instead of woodland animals flitting around, it's reanimated shrunken heads that are bouncing and rolling around and gibbering madly, and the little hoodoo spirits dancing about and diving in to masks and stuff to possess them and make them sing backup lines.
I have this mental image of Sujurak almost doing a parody scene of a Disney Princess, doing some big (and fairly macabre) song number, and instead of woodland animals flitting around, it's reanimated shrunken heads that are bouncing and rolling around and gibbering madly, and the little hoodoo spirits dancing about and diving in to masks and stuff to possess them and make them sing backup lines.
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