[OOC] The Relics (No Plot/Fantasy/Character Driven/Worthy of Skepticism)

[Sep]

I was thinking we should keep in the Old Kingdom idea. Where long ago these relics were made between warring continents when magic reigned supreme. However the people of the old kingdom could not access the same magicks as their enemy and as such created the relics, which began falling into the hands of their enemy so they "locked" them to specific markers in their blood. This prevented the enemy from using them, however eventually the Old Kingdom fell and in a final battle all the relic users were killed due to a surge in the magicks. The old kingdom died save for a few, who mingled in the population.

Those who have strong enough blood markers from the Old Kingdom can use these relics, the closer they are in compatibility the more power they can derive from their relic.

This opens the door for us one day unlocking the old Magicks for people to use.

Just my idea, I can work some plots with it too with whoever becomes GM.

[Maki Casanova]

What do you mean by blood markers, and what do you mean by compatibility? What goes into determining compatibility?

And this is just me personally, but I'd rather not have a plot to go along with this RP. Sparks wanted this to be casual and free form, and I'd rather keep it that way.

[Sep]

Maki Casanova said
What do you mean by blood markers, and what do you mean by compatibility? What goes into determining compatibility?And this is just me personally, but I'd rather not have a plot to go along with this RP. Sparks wanted this to be casual and free form, and I'd rather keep it that way.

You have to have some direction, or the same thing will happen again. I'm not saying everyone will be forced to do it.

Blood markers having something in your blood being some relation to someone from the old kingdom. Compatibility depends on how strong your relation is to the Old Kingdom.

[AlidaMaria]

Maki Casanova said
I have a suggestion regarding the relic's power source and how it actually chooses its wearer.Everyone has a little bit of magical energy inside of them, but those levels frequently aren't enough to rationally sustain relics; users of the artifacts usually have a stronger, more abundant supply than most people, above average let's say. As for how it chooses its wearer, there must be (a) certain condition(s) to be met. For example, Kaiden's bell relic requires the user to be blind. That makes sense, right? But then we have Shin, and let's say that the Mask's conditions were that someone who wears it must be used to following orders without question, but has a potential for making individual thoughts and ambitions outside the instructions (I know this wording is a bit weird, sorry)!

That sounds rather plausible to me, though you'd have to add that the relic's powers adapt to how the evoker is. For example, if Marcus no longer focuses on surviving, but would return to Da-Hyun to claim his father's old position as a noble, his relic could (for example) provide him with the power to manipulate thoughts or to erase all memories concerning Marcus' past or simply be loved and noticed by all who meet him, idk. This already given fact would mean that the relics poses a conscious of their own to a certain extent.

Also, if I'm remembering and summarising this right, The Vocators can work the wat they do, because their members are mentally molded into a certain way, to make sure they react positively to the mask.

Thus, basicially rewording Maki's statement, the relics react to persons if they meet a few conditions, they have to have a certain state of mind/ personality/ potential, as well as a larger than average "pool of magic", this pool is heriditarial to a certain extent, which is why the theory of "The blood of the old Kingdom" has come into existence. But every relic reacts differently and slightly adapt its powers to its user.

A myth (sorry, I can't help it) could be that the relics weren't ever actually crafted, they came into being somehow, have a mind of their own and try to achieve certain things through the evoker to their choosing. That's why they only choose people with a certain type of character, to make sure they can achieve whatever goal the relic has in mind.

I'd suggest that rarely onyone knows/beliefs the theory of the "pools of magic".

Edit: It sounds to me like Maki's "pools" and Sep's "blood markers" could be combined. After all, not all relics are combat oriented. The best cooks in most courts would for example be relic users with powers concerning taste or creativity. Could all of you agree on the solely Combat oriented relics being "marked in blood", and thus only circulate in a really small circle of people, [though the relic powers could have adapted over time to be slightly different. For example, a non-locked relic could gain combative powers over the course of a 1000 years, though the most powerful combat oriented relics would be those who were intended to be so and thus blood-locked]

I do hope that I explained it properly :'D

[WilsonTurner]

Ellri said
we're just not sure what to vote, Barks.We did fix a bit on the map just now. The primary thing we did was really to expand the river count. Extend the ends so they actually start in the mountains. Add side streams. And add a river down from the inland sea.We're also thinking that maybe changing the pixels to 1x1 km is better than to 2x2km. That makes calculating distances much easier, and it'll be more than large enough for the RP.The image has a red border where we earlier at least imagined the Kalesian Empire covering.The image won't work now, as we're still uploading it on this slow net. But it'll be up soonish.

I have a kingdom idea that would take part of what's in that image. If you want, I can color the area that I was thinking about using, though the stuff I have been thinking on it has been somewhat abused recently; haven't had much time to work on the lore and the like for my Kingdom of Helia idea. It takes up the lower bits of mountains and that valley you have that's between the mountains, and goes up to that bay/sea that pokes into the mainland.

AlidaMaria said
That image is looking good Ellri!Also, I'm really flattered that you put me up as a candidate Bark, but I really don't think that I'm suited as a gm. I won't mind being co-gm, but I'll go all-out with lore if there isn't someone to stop me, sonces it's kind of my hobby. I'll develop into a despotic monarch if I become gm, no doubt xD So whoever gave me that one vote, thank you! But no thank you. Also, I voted.

I voted for you.

[WilsonTurner]

AlidaMaria said
That sounds rather plausible to me, though you'd have to add that the relic's powers adapt to how the evoker is. For example, if Marcus no longer focuses on surviving, but would return to Da-Hyun to claim his father's old position as a noble, his relic could (for example) provide him with the power to manipulate thoughts or to erase all memories concerning Marcus' past or simply be loved and noticed by all who meet him, idk. This already given fact would mean that the relics poses a conscious of their own to a certain extent. Also, if I'm remembering and summarising this right, The Vocators can work the wat they do, because their members are mentally molded into a certain way, to make sure they react positively to the mask.Thus, basicially rewording Maki's statement, the relics react to persons if they meet a few conditions, they have to have a certain state of mind/ personality/ potential, as well as a larger than average "pool of magic", this pool is heriditarial to a certain extent, which is why the theory of "The blood of the old Kingdom" has come into existence. But every relic reacts differently and slightly adapt its powers to its user. A myth (sorry, I can't help it) could be that the relics weren't ever actually crafted, they came into being somehow, have a mind of their own and try to achieve certain things through the evoker to their choosing. That's why they only choose people with a certain type of character, to make sure they can achieve whatever goal the relic has in mind. I'd suggest that rarely onyone knows/beliefs the theory of the "pools of magic".

I think this. Myth's personality is more in the moment, without as much thought for the future. For example, he essentially stood up in a kingdom that was crawling in Idris believers, and basically said "I'm a relic user and would like to show everyone how much I can do." For him, that would be a chance to show people that he's powerful, but rumors would dilute the truth so that people wouldn't believe it if they didn't see it, and it would possibly make him even MORE of a target. Of course, Myth Dragon would already have a bit of a reputation, as "That foolish guy who began shooting lightning." Really, it's lightning, surely people would notice and later say, "LIGHTNING BOY! WHERE HE GO?"

EDIT: And based on what people said, then the Blademasters would be much more powerful Relic-users than most, since they are a single family that focuses completely on Old Kingdom Relics, and masterful sharp-fights.

[Sep]

WilsonTurner said
I think this. Myth's personality is more in the moment, without as much thought for the future. For example, he essentially stood up in a kingdom that was crawling in Idris believers, and basically said "I'm a relic user and would like to show everyone how much I can do." For him, that would be a chance to show people that he's powerful, but rumors would dilute the truth so that people wouldn't believe it if they didn't see it, and it would possibly make him even MORE of a target. Of course, Myth Dragon would already have a bit of a reputation, as "That foolish guy who began shooting lightning." Really, it's lightning, surely people would notice and later say, "LIGHTNING BOY! WHERE HE GO?"

I don't think she was talking about Myth, I think she was meaning a myth.

I personally don't like the idea of a Relic CHOOSING a user.

That indicates intelligence...

[AlidaMaria]

Sep said
I don't think she was talking about Myth, I think she was meaning myth.I personally don't like the idea of a Relic CHOOSING a user.That indicates intelligence...

Lol yeah sorry I meant A myth :'D Thanks for your vote haha.

But wasn't that what was indicated by Spark in the OP? Wouldn't it be very interesting if the relics have some sort of intelligence? Anyways, I don't think it would be weird for multiple theories to exists besides one another.

[Maki Casanova]

I think Alida's idea sounds awesome and I vouch for it.

The only thing I don't like about the "compatibility" aspect is that a specific type of blood, such as Old Kingdom blood, tends to run thin as people diversify the genetic pool. If we go through the power is determined by how close you are in relation to the Old Kingdom in terms of blood, this would mean that some of the strongest relic users might have genetic disorders or sicknesses, like sickle cell.

[Sep]

Maki Casanova said
I think Alida's idea sounds awesome and I vouch for it.The only thing I don't like about the "compatibility" aspect is that a specific type of blood, such as Old Kingdom blood, tends to run thin as people diversify the genetic pool. If we go through the power is determined by how close you are in relation to the Old Kingdom in terms of blood, this would mean that some of the strongest relic users might have genetic disorders or sicknesses, like sickle cell.

Not specifically.The old kingdom was sparsely. I'm not proposing that people inbreed in order to be relic compatible.

[Maki Casanova]

Not relic compatible per-se, but how strong they will be when using it is my concern. We want our characters to be strong, but they won't reach their highest potential if they are restrained by how much Old Kingdom blood they have.

[AlidaMaria]

Maki Casanova said
Not relic compatible per-se, but how strong they will be when using it is my concern. We want our characters to be strong, but they won't reach their highest potential if they are restrained by how much Old Kingdom blood they have.

Wouldn't that problem be solved of we go with the combination? You can decide for yourself if your character is somehow connected by blood to an old combat-oriented relic or that your relic is an "adapted" one or if the lock has somehow faded over time.

Personally, I really don't think we need to reach a consensus, we'll at least have to come up with a few theories that relic scholars would have uncovered over time, but seeing how different all relics are, there could be a lot of theories as well.

[Sep]

Maki Casanova said
Not relic compatible per-se, but how strong they will be when using it is my concern. We want our characters to be strong, but they won't reach their highest potential if they are restrained by how much Old Kingdom blood they have.

Well that is where the new magicks come into it.

[Maki Casanova]

Sep said
Well that is where the new magicks come into it.

Can you kindly remind me what the new magicks are again?

So we're basically just going about the same way, but just with some theories here and there? Gotcha.

[AlidaMaria]

Maki Casanova said
Can you kindly remind me what the new magicks are again?So we're basically just going about the same way, but just with some theories here and there? Gotcha.

At least that's the way I see it, I'm not sure if everyone agrees with me there ^-^'

[Sep]

Maki Casanova said
Can you kindly remind me what the new magicks are again?So we're basically just going about the same way, but just with some theories here and there? Gotcha.

Basically the idea is that throughout the course of the Roleplay the Magicks that were lost when the old kingdom fell somehow come back into existence, or maybe don't come back into existence but are rediscovered. Then people can use them in conjunction with their relics, that is how you gain more power. By channeling magic through your relic.

Bam.

[Freeshooter92]

AlidaMaria said
Or it means that your OOC posts are actually read while mine aren't? :'D

I read your posts...

[AlidaMaria]

Freeshooter92 said
I read your posts...

Yaaay hahaha xD Thanks Free!

Oh, also Sep perhaps you actually are loved! :p

[Sep]

AlidaMaria said
Yaaay hahaha xD Thanks Free!Oh, also Sep perhaps you actually are loved! :p

Either A) I'm loved and people read my posts or
B) I am unloved :P

It could go either way. EITHER THAT, or people don't like the idea of me being GM :P

[Freeshooter92]

My thoughts on:

A reboot.

Definitely not opposed, though I just got here. Changes would have to be made.

Sparks.

Again, I just got here but I think he got fed up with all the 'fleshing out' of everything, which applied structure where he wanted none. Focus was taken away from PC's and put on the conflict of empires and nations. I think my character was the last straw as I needed to ask him about relics, their history, and the Old Kingdom to make my character function. I imagine trying to have him apply a specific backstory to the one thing that was never supposed to be known pushed him over the edge, and I feel terrible.

Invasion.

Yes, this should very much happen at some point, but not at all the way it went. These are merely my opinions, but I believe the invasion was terrible. It was portrayed as an unstoppable steamroller of fuck you, with every attempt to stop it only making it worse. We can debate realism all we want but a satisfying siege to play in SHOULD NOT work that way. Losing is fine, but it should really feel like the attackers have to work their asses off to do it. Sure, you lost, but look how long you held them off? you gave it your best shot. This makes the PC feel a lot better if the defense they participated in had any backbone, as well as letting everyone know how badass the attackers are for having won. It cost them, but they did it. I would also argue that it not be mandated that loss is just a thing that will happen no matter what, but whatever.

Realism.

I disagree with Ellri tremendously on this point. There needs to be a balance, extreme realism (magic aside) is as boring and bullshit as chainmail bikinis. A good medium between looking cool and being functional. Even if crossbows would realistically be unavailable, goddamnit, their cool. I think detail really fleshes out a story but we cannot get too caught up in it.

Old Blood.

Bad idea. It implies that the wielder of the relic is just born that way, as opposed to being special because the relic chose them. My relic found me, out of everyone in the world, to be the one person worthy of wielding its power, that's badass. "Oh, my Great Great Great Great Great Great Great uncle was a king" isn't as cool.

GM.

I'd pick Alida, but she doesn't want to do it. Ellri is smart as hell, dedicated, but I think lacks the... charisma. Not that I'm suggesting myself! I am NO GOOD at the GM dance. However, I only really know Ellri, so I pick them (they? Are you multiple people or do you just prefer an odd pronoun?) Now, I'm kind of a dick, I'm sorry but I'm just speaking my mind.

I took issue with a lot of things as the RP was very different than what reading the OP led me to believe, so I freaked the fuck out when things started going the way they did, and I am eternally ashamed of my tantrum.

Now, this begs the question: how to fit my character in?