Dazsos

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

@Divinity

I had an epiphany. I was wrong. (No not about the cast time stuff, nor the physics, I'd drag that argument with me to the grave.) I was wrong in the way I approached the situation. Anger drove me to try and pry your brain apart, because I felt the faintest amount of disrespect, and believed that by one-upping you with remarks, things would be even Steven. Well they are, but now we both look like howling baboons with chemistry books.

Innue shouldn't be a tool for me to use against you. Thing is, I know him, and he's a rather busy person. I asked him to be the judge because although he's a friend, I'm sure he'd be fair, and more than anything he'd want to see my win-streak come to an end. Surely he doesn't have the time to read all of this banter.

Myron and Corban's capabilities have been slanted since the beginning, but that's not your fault. I've been nerfing my own character, when he's fully capable of being used on the same high tier. Trying to drag your character to his level has taken too much time and insult, when really, I could've just done the opposite. I came in to this fight expecting it was mid-tier, but also prepared to adjust, I should've.

So... I'm sorry for lashing out at you. I still think you're an asshole, but I'm positive I'm one, too.

Equal respect is my motto, and I hoped to drag you to my level. It didn't occur to me that you might be more willing to have Myron's prowess boosted to even the odds. You mentioned it, but I was still furious over the current power gap. Maybe you wanted a really epic, fast paced magic battle with tons of spells flying around? In mid-tier, I don't see any way for Corban to dodge a full-powered disintigration ray in such a light-speed instant; But in high tier, there'd be a chance, if done right. I have no real qualms with such powered battles, as long as I get to play half the part.

Since there are also hidden abilities in Myron's profile, which I wasn't using before, I doubt you'd mind me proposing them, since I forcefully made you list a few synopsis of Corban's own bracketed magics?

P.S: Although I'm apologizing now, and actually willing to ignore my prior claims, this doesn't mean I won't try and chew you out later. I'm still quite anal about this combat stuff.

Also, IC you stated the cryobomb could capture the book, which is pretty indefinite, and I still don't think its effects should expunge at light speeds. Ice magic is usually slower than that. I took the leisure to accept the side of this coin-flip in my favor. Any conflicts that it would freeze the book, while its being relocated, will force me to quicken the postponed date of the argument we've been having. I don't know how important that is to you, but it's my offer. And again, no, I'm not dropping it because I feel wrong about my claims, I just don't want to lose sleep over something so menial, just because I can't let something go.

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Myron watched the scene unfold from beyond the shield of a mask he guarded himself with. His mind began to race, he cycled through tactics to use against such an up-front opponent. He was smart enough to respond under such quick notice, and his feel for the world aided his insight. Something was off, and he only had a smidgen's worth of understanding that he could implore, until things picked up.

Witness now, the fact that Myron too is a geomancer, just like Corban, however not as epic in skill; he could feel the earth's ambience call out to him. He could already assume the grandeur of his foe's carbokinesis, due to how quickly the opponent summoned forth earth, and how quickly it transmuted. In the back of his head, the scribe constantly worried himself over the threat of earth based magics, such as stalagmites popping up underneath him, or a fissure to draw him in.

Then came the strange explosion. Myron could feel it grasp at his silver blood, attempting to annex his control. His water would petrify briefly, however the bulk of the water and its magical force would delay the blast's radius enough to savour Myron from capture, and the Account of Symbols and Stories, though Myron had too little time to actually use his book right now, he'd toss it aside and react as quickly as he could to the immediate situation.

Tremors in the earth revealed Corban's path, but Myron needn't rely on these to know that something was coming from below. There was no other possible angle of attack! The crystal-wizard was nowhere to be seen. Timely dealings with earth magi convinced the scribe's next instinct action, which was to immediately jump back a bit, whilst relocating his mask so that it would slip underneath him. At its current angle, it could protect from any attack aimed from below. As the water that once coated Myron's feet began to funnel in to a hole in to the ground, an audible clash of metals could be heard, from the meeting of Ishtalle's sheath, and the adamant durability of Myron's mask. The combined weight of Myron and his nine foot tall shield of perpetually frozen water exceeded three hundred pounds, and thus, he would not fly skyward whence struck, neither the first or second time. The scribe knelt on top of his shield, with his quill readily pointed downwards.

The tricky part here would be Myron's reply to such an up-front attack. The esti already knew where the attacks would come from, however he had a rather specific trick on how to lock in on enemies without needing his eyes. Firstly, he'd angle the shield so specifically, upon feeling a strange presence beneath him. Secondly, he could literally scan the ground as well, as a geomancer readily focused on their whereabouts, and a blood mage who could feel for outside life. Corban's magical and genetic trace was strange, and inhuman, however it was not that uncommon, it resembled an iomancer's, or some kind of fairy. Split seconds passed, when Myron was sure his aim was true, he released the power of a second disintegration ray. At a point blank distance, dodging or blocking the attack both would prove incredibly difficult without preparations, and the beam traveled about as quickly as a gun could fire a bullet. The blast would pierce diamonds and dirt alike with ease, annihilation in a straight path aimed through Corban's chest and progressing nearly a hundred feet deeper where it would then explode fiercely, sucking up a well of dirt and mud with it. Myron made sure to activate his rune as quickly as possible, not even a second after the sheath struck, with mindful anticipation.

Regardless of success or failure, Myron wasn't about to rely on one spell to save the day, he always worried, and thus always created a means to fall back safely. The black ink that gathered around his person took the shape of large lanky hands in an instant, both slapping the ground below and spreading like wildfire. Runic circle would swiftly appear, and begin to fill in with precision, ignoring a lack of foundation due to Myron's skill at levitating the ink. It would appear as though the black hands were lifting Myron and his mask off the ground as well, however this too was simply control magic. Free were his own hands, so the scribe equipped another vial from his pouch and would quickly toss it around his mask and in to the hole formed by his beacon of nihil.

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Absolute control over kinetic energy? In an ice spell? This is definitely a very high tier ice spell, and based on how instantaneous its effects are, and how they can travel straight through physical things. I don't see this spell having a creation time of one post instantly after the effects of another spell's activation. And by one post, I mean... a second, maybe two? It's earth magic, it's extremely high level ice magic, (beyond what I think Corban is capable of.) it's remote controlled, it takes on the exact shape of him in the fraction of an instant needed for him to actually make it look like no movements were had summoning it. It's OP, it's OP, dude, my arguments are all under the pretense that it isn't OP, but you just keep erecting that opnis. Get that opnis out of my face.

Although I still disagree with the absoluteness of kinetic absorption, I've argued before, and mainly persisted on the cast time of such a spell. It took Myron about that much time to make his water look like a happy face. My above argument stands, I won't reiterate.

Next up, if it absorbs all kinetic energy, I don't see it allowing the clone to even move. Also the phrase absorbs wasn't mentioned in your post, I don't like how you use different descriptive words for your spells between the IC and OOC. What stopped you from saying 'oh the radius is actually 80 feet.' That would have been an instahit, it would've frozen Myron in time and won you the fight right away. All kinetic energy is connected, so what's stopping this spell from just, you know... freezing time itself? You saying it doesn't? Thirty shoes?... As logical as you say it is, I just don't agree.

This is just a lack of agreement on one thing.

It's a bunch of nope on my behalf.

Your one description of a spell at the peak of Corban's prowess with evocation was a lightning bolt. This is way above that.

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@DivinityI'mma be savage here. 'Cuz magic' is the story of your character's skillset.

Pollen just stated that running fast requires airtime, and from the video she showed... over half the time is airtime. Corban's clone is running exceptionally fast, this should apply to him. I wasn't originally arguing against this, but you're flicking my nose enough. I have all the material necessary to say Corban's control over his clone would be very lagged. I'll even leave it up to Innue to decide if this should or shouldn't be effective.

You're describing the effects of your spells as if they're perfect, when you're explaining how they'd effect my spells. It isn't up to you, and just you, so stop acting like my nit-picking is unwarranted, or like you're the judge of this roleplay.

The clone exploded with a cryogenic liquid. LIQUID. This means it had some physical bulk being expunged, but how would that liquid nullify a small pool's worth of water, when there's less cryogenic liquid than there is icicles? Shouldn't it just freeze the first layer or two of Myron's ice it comes in contact with? Not an entire 30ft radius it doesn't have direct access to? Conveniently including a book which is pretty far away from the explosion? That silver water is infused with Myron's blood, it acts like an extension of his own body, he's able to move it on demand. If there's no kinetic energy present, he need only add some! And if you say 'well the liquid is magical..' So is Myron's water. A novice in ice magic should not, cannot overpower a master, it's even stated in Myron's profile that only other more powerful blood-mages can control his water. Corban is no blood-mage, you're overstepping your boundaries here. I agreed that the effects may persist for a single post, now I feel like taking that back.

Obviously, this is a heated argument, and I've been in enough to understand what's gonna' go down. See, you've been condescending towards me, and thus I've shown mutual respect, and acted like a sarcastic jerk to you. Even if I'm right, I'm sure you won't want to have to agree with a dingus like me. And I'm not going to want to agree with you, because we don't see eye to eye, and I don't trust the way you describe things.

Let's leave it to a judge. A real judge. If @Innue says I'm wrong, he'd do so without belittling me, and thus I'd rather read it from him.

EDIT: Whatever the case, I did say I'd post soon, and allow the cryogenic liquid to enact its effects for one turn. Myron won't be able to ascertain his control over it while being distracted by melee combat. I like to stay true to my words.

On another note. The adamant rune practically enchants Myron's ice in to a similar fashion as that cryogenic blast, in which it is void of melting, and its particles show no kinetic movement. Myron controls his ice fine after this enchantment.

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As a cross-country runner, I can attest that it actually doesn't. It's perfectly possible to run with one foot always on the ground... just not very fast. You're half right, in that quick running does require airtime. Here's an example of proper sprinting form for reference:

youtube.com/watch?v=PH-3cHxXAK0

@Drifting Pollen

Slowly running? Isn't that called jogging?

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I don't see any use arguing your point beyond saying... no, you're wrong... running does require both feet frequently be lifted off the ground. Try it for yourself.

If the clone is explained as having the properties of a metamagical hyper-cryogenic fluid, then it is practically high powered ice magic, with kinetic control added in. Two things. Kinetic absorption would be a secondary component if the above is true, which it is, I'm quoting your post... So I'm definitely not over-exaggerating the scope of this ability, it's very complex! If it were just ice magic, I don't see why Myron should be unable to manipulate it anymore, considering he's masterful at controlling such a substance, and he does so magically, not through kinetic force. If it's also kinetically controlled, then should ensue a battle between both character's abilities to forcefully manipulate the ice's movements and add or continue subtracting the kinetic force... in which Myron should win, his skill in aquamancy is beyond Corban's. I would agree that: The explosion should deny him immediate access, such as using it in his next post. But I want to know for future reference before I get there.

Myron is listed as being an Esti, not a human, but I was holding off on actually using the powers of that race because... well, because I didn't list them in my profile, and that's what I personally deem acceptable. Given the circumstances, I very well may adapt his true form in to this battle, it'll surely balance their fight.

As for the shell... well... many things can constitute as a barrier. A wall of rocks, etc, etc. But Corban specializes in magical barriers, so differentiating between types is of my absolute concern, in order for my posts to be accurate.

I'll post either tonight or tomorrow, since most things are cleared up now for me, and control over Myron's liquid isn't an immediate issue. When it is, I may bring back this debate, unless it's resolved sooner.

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@DivinityYou really don't like describing things, do you?

You leave out the in-depth aspects of both Myron's mask, and Corban's Cryo-clone. Also 'one post, two post' is not the most accurate depiction of time. My issues start at the beginning of Corban and Myron's 'third spells' listed in Divinity's synopsis: Post 5 and on.

@Innue

Myron did not have to recast his creation (not a summon), it's stated he began after being pushed back. Several spells were used to create the mask, however most are simple markings that are quick to make with the quill at close range. Water runes in the mouth. Nihil in one eye, envision in the other. An adamant mark to fortify shape. Of all these runes, the most complex would've been Beacon of Nihil. I stated that it'd take time for Myron to finish the mask, which gave it an indefinite cast time depending on Corban's next move.

The cryo-clone, by my assumption, was summoned in post 5, and is described as being easily controlled as long as Corban's feet were planted. (But it was running at high speeds, so there would be frequent times where it's own feet wouldn't be grounded, I don't know if this is important.) It's a combination of an earth magic exterior, a hidden explosive barrier that constantly expels kinetic energy, a hyper-freezing area of effect, and the application of illusory principles. It's mentioned that channeled anti-magic was applied to the clone's sword to attack the barrier with, this spell wasn't mentioned in the above synopsis, but also isn't listed as being passive in the profile unless applied. Corban would have to find a way to evoke these complex spells inside of his clone whilst concentrating on digging rapidly underground at an equal pace. It's stated he also coats himself in a diamond skin while underground, and the word barrier was also mentioned, if he upped another barrier on himself, I'm counting eight spells/actions used after the railgun. (Not including constantly remote controlling the golem, or firing of the sword & sheath.)

Myron's count is at 5 spells/actions. 4 written runes are used along motion control over his water & book, though it's stated that Myron is gifted at concentrating control magic on multiple things at once, this is more like a physical action for him.

This would have all taken place within the amount of time it'd take Corban to move 100ft. No exact timeframe is mentioned, however it's stated that the clone moved at baffling speeds.

EDIT: This isn't as much of a complaint as it is pointing out what is not being described by Divinity.

Myron's capable of pushing in to high tier, like Innue said, but I was keeping his movements stalled and some of his spells locked to coincide with the idea it was a mid-tier fight initially. I gave a free hit to Corban with this mindset, whereas in a high tier match, Myron would've easily erected that barrier in time, whilst concocting several other spells as well.

On another note, I'm not sure cause it's not fully explained. Did Corban coat himself in diamond and erect a barrier around himself before shooting Ishtalle at Myron? Or just diamond skin?

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See now we're getting somewhere, all that condescending bullcrap was doing us absolutely nothing in terms of progress.

So now I have a possible list of spells. However, I still want to know which ones Corban is capable of. See, the versatility of the evocation realm isn't something to scoff at. Depending on how skilled he is, Corban could shoot laser beams out of his eyes, he could summon a meteor from the sky, he could even create a hyper sonic nuke. But I'd say all of these things are mastery level elemental magics. So... I'd want to understand the strongest spells he could muster in evocation, then I can easily determine for myself the lesser spells, and what I'm truly dealing with here. Even wizards specializing in evocation don't know many low level spells, or haven't practiced certain sub-genres.

I assumed it respectful that; if your character can summon large fireballs, that should be made aware of with specifics. But I get it, if you listed all of his individual abilities, that'd be way too much to read, right? Well that'd better describe what he can do, and people would choose characters closer to his level to play with. Myron just happened to be a character I can fit in to both mid-tier and high-tier combat... and right now, I believe we are fighting in the low area of high-tier; both of us.

If anything, I'm not even as troubled by your post, just annoyed at the struggle to extract information. The amount of spells, and the sheer power of them still strike me as odd, however I've always been the type to simply up the anti when in a situation like that. "Oh if he can cast spells that quickly, I should be able to, as well, right?!" That sort of silent mutual agreement. Considering Corban can only quick-cast spells he's already used recently.

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Alright it's just getting out of hand now. I shouldn't have been so passive aggressive or sarcastic, cause now the debate is turning in to somewhat of a pissing contest.

Let's get down to the raw issues at hand here, no more spitting or namecalling.

Firstly, cast times. Your character did a lot in a 1-2 second cast time. Most wizard spells in D&D require an entire action post to use one spell. I count (summon earth clone, dig underground, summon kinetic bomb, summon cryogenic freezing application) 4 spells cast in an instant.

Secondly, since you didn't initiate this battle assuming I knew anything about D&D, I feel as though proper, accurate depictions of his full skillset are necessary. Typically I rely on the dictionary for explanations on words, not a guide book that you didn't mention until later.

You did give me a list of his abilities, after my prying. They are:

Conjuration - Poor: Corban is not very skilled with spells that fall or function under the Conjuration class. Cross-planar portal creation is out of his reach, and he is not skilled at summoning creatures to his aid.

Enchantment - Skilled: Primarily learned from his close proximity to Ishtalle, whom owns a vast library of enchantments herself. Years of study has made Corban quite proficient at creating weapon and armor enchantments. Can be co-opted with Ishtalle for joint-enchanting. Elemental enchantments are common day variety, and his prime vocations of abjuration and transmutation can also have their principles applied. Despite corban disliking enchantments as an area of study, he nevertheless still knows what he's doing

Evocation - Gifted: Corban is a battle-mage by class, and half of that equation relies heavily on the use of powerful spells. These spells generally fall under the Evocation school, and are appropriately vehicles of great power, generally. Spell examples include elemental attacks such as 'bolt', or the iconic 'fire ball'. His vast experience and expertise in this school allows him to apply it in ever more creative ways.

Necromancy - poor: Corban is not very attuned to the flow of life energy, and has devoted little time to its practical study. He cannot reanimate corpses, or freely manipulate the flow of life and death like even a novice necromancer.

Illusion - General: The principles of illusion-based magic are known to Corban, and he has devoted a note able amount of time to the fields study. However, he does not have ready access to spells that actually directly effect the senses in abstract ways. The principles of illusion however can be applied to his various other vocations.

The above is still vague.

Conjuration - You only explained what Corban cannot do, but not anything about what he can do.

Divination - This realm was left out, you didn't explain Corban's prowess with this skill to me.

Enchantment - I'm fine with this, it was the most explanatory synopsis.

Evocation - You only gave me two true examples. Lightning magic, and fire magic. Nothing about him controlling lightning or fire was actually mentioned in the initial character sheet, and your average joe who doesn't play D&D would assume Invocation doesn't mean mastery of any elemental magic. You were the one who referenced dictionary.com first, and Mirriam didn't mention fire magic, either. I'm honestly fine with this magic if - IF, I can see a good list of spells.

Necromancy - Again, you detail what Corban cannot do, without mention as to what he's capable of at all.

Illusionry - Minor detailing of how he understands illusions, and how to trick people. I'm fine with this, I guess.

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"The act of calling forth." Alright well I didn't hear Corban yell. "Oh great cryogenic anti-kinetic energy bomb, insert yourself in to my clone so that I may bombard my opponent!" So obviously this version of evocation is exactly what I feared it would be, after nitpicking enough information to discern it as: Corban has the ability to create or summon absolutely any element, entity, or construct possibly conceivable to mankind, an extremely overpowered feat, and he gets away with it because you wrote one word in his profile? Also, this was my original argument, and I don't like how he can summon everything without properly 'calling forth,' for it, nor that it has been shown with a cast time whatsoever. (merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evocation summarizes it as simply 'summoning a spirit.' Or 'bringing something to mind or memory.' AKA Remembering something.)

See this is why I nitpick the vague for information. Because, as you say, I did have the wrong idea about your spells... you gave me the wrong impression entirely! "He likes evocation" =/= "He can tap in to Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon." How can I sit idle, when you purposely jumped in to a mid-tier fight, with a character who can do virtually anything conceivable, is a complete anti-mage, and your only descriptions of him have been 'oh yes his sensory level is godlike,' 'oh yes, he's capable of everything and I don't require a list of spells,' 'yes he's superhuman, oh I know your character isn't, but that's okay,' etc etc. You've only described him as a higher and higher tiered character every bit along the way, and I was convinced this was a mid-tier fight initially. Unlocking those runes made this a little more fair for me, so thank you for that, but even then they're not as powerful as 'evocation' alone can be in the d&d handbook. The rift rune is a little spacial pocket that has a cast time, evocation (with your new definition) is bending the laws of reality to do the exact same thing, but produce from that pocket... anything!

Now you state it's necessary I understand every magic in D&D to understand your character? Or at least, you berate me for it? Well there was no mention of Dungeons OR Dragons in your profile, so why should Corban have access to even half a manual's worth of spells? The fact I do DM, and I have a rough memory of the magic realms is the reason I'm nitpicking you. Because D&D is so anal about specifics, but this is not D&D, If it was, you would have a list of spells. Simply 'liking' a magic realm says nothing at all. Myron likes evocation, too! Should he be allowed to pull rabbits out of his butt?