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Ferguson, MO protests and police brutality.

Rare, did you even read over the discussion regarding shooting to be non-lethal and the issues with that? There's at least an entire page of it.

Also, may the father have done good as an officer or not the Kid is still going to feel awful if his Dad's death was preventable but wasn't prevented out of concern for the murderer.

Ferguson, MO protests and police brutality.

Omega said When I heard about it and first saw the video assumed it to be mostly irrelevant until I saw it being consistently used to attack the police in the area with people claiming the police in the video overreacted and tieing it to the Fergusson shooting.

Well obviously there will be people who take this case and scream stuff such as "Whiteriarchy!" over it.
But that doesn't change that simply looking at the fact dismisses it almost instantly.

Roose Hurro said
Given the police officer sustained serious head injuries (a broken eye socket), and given that Michael Brown attacked the officer to begin with, aaand given witnesses are coming forth and confirming this (not to mention the forensic evidence on Brown's own body)... well, from all I've heard, it seems pretty clear what we have here is indeed another Trayvon Martin case. A justified shooting, in this case a police officer defending his life from a brutal attacker intent on getting his gun.However, given this is not over, who knows what the final "verdict" will be. Unfortunately, just like in the Martin case, there will be people who will refuse to believe "the truth" of the matter. Because they believe their "truth" is real, even if it is just a "myth". A proven falsehood. In other words, a lose/lose situation.In either case, a tragedy, if not a travesty.

Like I said in my initial post, I only came in with knowledge from OP links and skimming other's post.
Where stuff like bodily damaged was rarely or never mentioned.

If forensic evidence can show though that the police were physically assaulted by the kid in such a way though, this case does honestly become much clearer.
I would not give eye witness testimony any credit though.

Have you ever done the exercise in school where all the student's sit in a line, one side says a sentence and it's passed down to the other end? If so, do you remember how the other side always comes out with something completely different? Eye witness testimony is proven to be one of, if not the least reliable pieces of evidence we have.

Ferguson, MO protests and police brutality.

Both cases are still tragic, definitely.

It's just that one's a lot more clear cut on what happened than the other is.

Ferguson, MO protests and police brutality.

Revans Exile said That "kid" is guilty of smoking pot,

You... you mean he smoked a plant? O_O

Revans Exile said That "kid" was a useless piece of trash who deserved to die.

Having made one mistake with the police does not count you as being useless trash.

And regardless, an officer's actions must be based on the actions of the specific situation taking place, not any kind of bias of the individuals involved, and not on any actions unrelated to the moment/incident in question.

Omega said For those who have not heard there has been another shooting in the St. Louis area with a man shot and killed by cops.For those who do not wish to watch, the video depicts Kajieme Powell, a 25 year old man who had just performed a robbery with the apparent intent of drawing police to his location and had his friend tape the encounter. When the police arrived they exited with guns draw at which point Powell drew a knife and walked towards them exclaiming "Shoot me." The cops told him to get back repeatedly, however, he did not comply and after closing to within a few feet both cops began firing with approximately ten shots being in rapid succession at close range killing Powell.

I physically can't watch it... Every time I click "confirm" it simply re-loads the page warning me about violent content.

So assuming that description is accurate, that's just a case of suicide by cop... Not nearly as debatable as the case here.

Zoe Quinn.

Dipper said Wizards are a group of people exactly like Christian Weston Chandler - A group of asspie virgins who wallow in self pity and basement dwelling, complining about how no one wants to fuck them. What would you expect from them?At the same time, no one would dare say anything about a group of fat autistic losers who live with their parents and leech off of society if they were female, because you'd be called sexist. So I see the Wizards as an easy target. VERY easy target.

I'm not surprised they were called out at all, they are a very easy target. Both in regards to it'd be rather easy to make them snap, and they are actually doing things that would be fair grounds to call them sexist over.

I was really just saying their fight with Quinn was more two evil's fighting each other. I care a good amount about how Quinn is hurting people's freedom of speech, and hurting the game industry in general, I don't care so much about how she's pissing off a community of sexists.

Kaga said -Trigger having been triggered-

Speaking as someone with Autism, I knew exactly what Dipper meant and did not take any offense to it.

Zoe Quinn.

Went through some videos, will have to go through the boyfriend's post when I have more time.

But this is just ridiculous, it not only glaringly highlights the double standard the gaming community is growing in terms of men and women, but it also addresses how broken/corrupt game journalism is becoming. Not mention this seems to be completely destroying the poor guy who used to go out with her.

Though I do need to make one possibly unpopular criticism here, her whole issue with the Wizard site just looks like a fight between two evils. Zoe Quinn has been more than proven using sex (and destroying relationships) to gain success, attention and oppress those who call her out on it. But that Wizard's seems to advertise themselves as a place exclusively for male virgins... Non-virgins or Girls aren't even allowed to join. I really can't blame anyone for taking issues or calling out a site/community that would discriminate and segregate people in such a way.

Ferguson, MO protests and police brutality.

Zendric said It indeed would be nice if one could target for non-lethality in all cases, but it doesn't always turn out that way. I don't know if this officer was an incredible marksman, or only attended the required departmental training shoots, but in either case you have to think of aiming a firearm, especially a handgun in an adrenaline filled scenario, as a cone of fire. The slightest twitch, from a shaky hand to your heart pumping blood through your hands, can angle the barrel a couple degrees in any direction from where you are aiming at, and over a distance even as short as 30 feet it can matter, throwing the bullet off many inches. That's why you aim AT the target in general, not at the target's _____, so you can guarantee that you hit the target somewhere and stop them.

Good points, there's not really much I can offer in response to that.

Imperfectionist said Also, I will accept your opinions on how difficult it is to shoot a gun (in Canada, Germany, Niger or otherwise) once you've both joined the police and gone through basic firearm training.

Have you gone through basic training? I have just as much reason to believe you don't as you do that I don't at the moment.
Plus, if debates like this could only be limited to cops there really wouldn't be much point in these debates at all.

Having basic training be needed before weighing in on the actual case? Obviously, police cases should never be tampered by novices. But an online discussion/debate that in no way will effect the actual outcome of the case? It's an unnecessary pre-requisite

So Boerd said An argument has a conclusion. I was making an observation.

Did you observe a lack of training in his life?
Did you observe his records and find nothing indicating such experience?

If not what you made wasn't an observation but a remark.

Ferguson, MO protests and police brutality.

To clarify before starting, all I know about this case is the links provided in the OP and having skimmed through the posts in this thread.

The main question here seems to be whose at fault, what went wrong?

Seeing how this all started with a boy getting shot by police let's start there.
But I'll say right now I'm not paying any attention to the kids skin colour, or to how friends refer to him as a good boy. What should matter is the actions that happened at the scene, not how the kid was outside of the situation or what skin colour the kid had.

From what I gather the boy was surrendering after robbing a store, but ran at the officer?
If so... If you just run at an officer with a gun you're going to get shot, they have no way to know if you intend to be peaceful or not. May the kid have made poor judgement or not, you can't exactly blame the officer for shooting if he was being charged at. Though also being Canadian I'll voice a similliar concern/confusion that Brovo did, the Cop should of aimed for non-lethal shots. Now, panic happens, accidents happen. But this did not seem like a case where the officer could get away with purposely aiming for lethal shots.

But then there's the protests that sparked as a result. Now, I think the whole "Black racism" claim the protest is doing is just idiotic, the kid charged at an officer and got shot. That kid happened to be black, that doesn't make it a hate crime, that makes it a kid who just happens to be black made a poor decision. And before anyone argues this happens to black kids more often, that is true. But also note that the poor/bad neighborhood's tend to have more black people than other places do. So obviously if more black people are exposed to shitty environments, more of them will resort to crime, resulting in more cases with police. This is not a racist officer issue, but rather an issue of how children are led to crime by poor environment and upbringing.

The protests themselves? A protest needs a cause, a point, one that will improve things. Simply trying to piss off the cops is not a legit protest... and if you're purposely stopping cops from doing their job, and yelling at them because you hate cops... That's not exactly a peaceful protest, that's causing a ruckus. And if while doing this other people are robbing stores and you are consciously stopping the cops from stopping the thief... you are now an accomplice to the theft. You are no longer doing a peaceful protest, you are committing a crime and are logically subject to the same punishment in accordance to law as the thief you were just covering for.

So I also really have no sympathy for those who took advantage of this incident to give police shit and/or to burn and rob shops.
And since the investigation of the original shooting is still ongoing, that means no one has enough info to determine if the cop was at fault or not so I can't really make a final statement either. I can only say that if the boy really did charge at the cop, no one should be surprised that the trigger was pulled.

Someone help me identify who is this character?

I suspect it's some kind of Echii seeing as there's no actual nudity or anything but she seems to be mid-way through pulling her top off.

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