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♘Evolution vs. Creationism☼

OK, I'm caught up and there's little to comment on. Just arguing against everything that You has been saying. However...

1. Still on my phone so doing long paragraphs and quotes is a huge pain.

2. Jorick and Brovo covered this extensively by now.

So basically I'll just leave their posts with a [2] and leave it at that.

Kadaeux said
There are no insults. If you think anywhere in my posts there has been an insult I suggest you get out more, or look at Yog Sothoth's posts which do in fact contain actual insults, generalised ones to boot.

You are both casting insults. Granted he is doing it far worse. But getting mad at him for it just feels like getting mad a baby for pooping in their diaper. They can't help it.

Be the better man and either ignore him or disprove his points without insulting him over it. Him being insulted to that is only adding to his fire any how.

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I'm reading this before my placement startsin a few minutes and I still have a page to go before replying in full.

But to address two things quickly right now...

1. Kadaeux. Lay off on the insults. You're not getting anywhere.

2. We did not evolve from todays monkeys. We and modern day monkeys evolved from a common ancestor. Like how many breeds of dogs evolved from wolves.

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-Damn lag-

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Brovo said
Gwazi, Creationism doesn't have a hell. Creationism is a theory of the origins and state of life. Christianity has a hell.The two are the same thing. Treating them as the same thing just renders your arguments inane and incomprehensible. They are related to each other in that Creationism postulates its theory on the Bible mainly, but it has nothing to do with hell in the same way that you don't hold a firefighter responsible for the actions of the military. They both work for the government, but service entirely separate functions. Creationism and Christianity are part of the same ideological spectrum but service entirely different functions.I hope that makes it clear to you in the future.

Good point.
I retract my statement on Creationism threatening people.

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ActRaiserTheReturned said
Ah, well I think you understand by your last comments that's not what I was saying. I was more or less saying that I didn't know if the Chinese had records in their archives regarding a global flood or not. Also, as far as I know, they keep their early belief systems, religion and mythology confined to the actual country of China it'self, although immigrant's families from the 1800's might have some knowledge of the old traditions from the mainland. What I meant to say, and I hope this is clear, is that China has it's own belief systems, and insofar as I know, foreigners find it extremely difficult to learn certain things about their religion and indigenous spiritual beliefs.

Ah. I see what you're trying to say now.
Sorry for the confusion and any harsh feelings over that.

As for the now clarified version for what you were saying. I can admit that it can be difficult to understand a foreign belief system (or a lack of one. Making the change from Christian to Atheist for example also comes with crossing a lot of unfamiliar and scary territory). Though as for where China's beliefs rank on the options available? It doesn't seem any more complex than any other belief system. Just find out if they purely go by science, purely go by faith, or have a mix/combination of the two.

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Brovo said -snip-

There seems to be some clarification needing to be done, from both sides.

I wasn't saying Science = History.
I'm saying that some countries made some good scientific research/progress in the past. Countries who are not scientific leaders today.
But the progress those countries did make in the past, helped establish a framework of knowledge for future scientist to build on.

"Chinese history cannot be damning towards the Creation hypothesis. The Chinese don't exactly like to share their mythology/religions and the entirety of their culture with the rest of the world".

I might of glanced over the "Mythology/Religion" part of what he said too much. I focused mainly on the culture comment.
Basically the way I took his statement was the following...

"Chinese history cannot be damning towards the Creation hypothesis" = China can't argue against creationism.

"The Chinese don't exactly like to share their mythology/religions and the entirety of their culture with the rest of the world" = Because they not as vocal with their beliefs.

This may of been a misunderstanding on what he meant to say though.
Also, when I argued China being humble I wasn't referring to how they treat their own people. I figured that went without saying, it's common knowledge how ruthless and poorly they treat their citizens.
I was referring to Religions and such that stem from China, tend not to be the ones preaching loudly to covert others, or telling people they'll burn in hell for not believing.

I brought up America not in history sense. But as an example to highlight how ignorant it is to say "This country or people in it can't comment against ______ because I don't like the state of their country".
This being more in reference to him saying they can't be damning to creationism for their culture bit.

Also, Creationism does threaten people. It's called hell. Ever seen those comments like "If you don't confess you'll burn in hell" "I wish you burn in hell!" etc?
Hell is meant to be eternal torture, so when people say "Believe ______ or burn in hell" they are threatening them with torture.

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ActRaiserTheReturned said
Then please, explain to me how I was attacking their culture in any way.

I already did. You said they never cared to be open on it. Therefore they shouldn't complain or question creationism.

Though now I'm just having to repeat stuff I said not even 10 minutes ago and my break is ending. So I'll leave it with this.

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I don't care if your christian, Muslim, atheist etc or what theory for what made us you follow.

But you do NOT have the right to condemn or say that people should not question whatever it is you believe. They are individuals and have their own views.

And even if hypothetically you did have that right. Doing it because you dislike it disagree with the country they come from is both racist and generalizing.

Please do not ever say again that ________ does not have a right to question or disagree with __________.

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ActRaiserTheReturned said
Please. Explain to me why you think that I was criticizing Chinese science/scientists?

I didn't. You were attacking their culture as a reason to not complain about creationism. I simply tried to prove that flase by highlighting their scientific experience.

But since that wasn't enough to convince you not to condemn a quarter of the worlds population from thinking for themselves I decided to then address your culture complaint more directly.

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ActRaiserTheReturned said
That's not what I said. I said they don't like to share some of their cultural traditions with the outside world.

You said they shouldn't be attacking the creationism theory because of their currently bad culture. I highlighted their skill bin science in the past gives then that right. But I probably should of argued the culture comment instead of showing their scientific skill.

First off, each country is a vast collection of individuals. Just because they're country is not doing well is no reason to claim they cannot have a mind of their own. By that logic no american should question what they're told because their country is terrible for debt and starting wars over oil.

If instead you meant China doesn't try converting people there for they shouldn't question the creationism theory I'd say its in fact the reverse. They are humble/respectful enough to not by trying to make others think like they do. Which the opposite of creationism which threatens people with eternal torture if they don't agree.

Cognitive Enhancement

Can't watch the trailer now. On my phone so doing so would murder my data plan.

As for the general topic?
I see no issue with enhancing our minds. We aim for this all the time with therapy and education anyways. I'd draw the line though where it starts to become a kind of addiction or something with side effects may it be medical ones or more stuff like loss of empathy.

Then again, each adult should be able to make said choice for themself. While at the same time make sure those who choose not to for one reason or another such as bad side effects are not unable to get employed or something cause of itm