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So Boerd said Can you prove I have zero evidence? No, you can't and I will spare you the trouble of saying "I don't have to", which you DO if you are going to make a definitive statement rather than "I do not know if there is evidence". Strong show of faith on your part


Has Religion ever shown or provided evidence? No.

Everything starts off having no evidence, you need to work from there to get evidence.
Religion has never gotten off that point, so from rather elementary observation and process of elimination, Religion has no evidence for it.
That is not the same as saying though there is 0% chance of it existing, that isn't true. There is always the chance Religion is correct no matter how remote it may be.

But that doesn't change the fact there is currently no evidence to support it.
That's not faith, that's basic reasoning.
So Boerd said
You dodged the question. What is the minimum specific evidence I must produce.@Bible citations. I have answered the John citation. Second, it is clear that all things does not mean all things. That John citation proves it by providing clarification. All things which were made were made by Him. Regarding the others, they in no way contradict my points.


I never dodged it, that is the minimum.

Beating Science, even if Religion is get's some kind of evidence I'm not suddenly going to convert when Science still has even more evidence.
Especially when said religious proof doesn't even point towards a specific god.

And the John citations are saying you need to forgiven, and that he made everything.
It's not proving your point at all, you argued things like our individuality wasn't made by him which Johns disagrees with.
You also argued that you don't need to be forgiven, which Johns also disagrees with.

And the rest of the quotes very clearly contradict your points.
They are saying the exact opposite of what you're saying.

-> You say we don't need forgiveness
-> Bible says you do

-> You say certain things of us weren't made by him
-> Bible says everything was made by him

-> You say he didn't make everything
-> Bible says God made everything
ActRaiserTheReturned said
The Gospel is not everything that's included in the Bible.


But the Bible is Christianity.

The Gospel is just the words of perhaps the only character in the entire Bible that people can actually read about, and then still probably like by the end of it.
It's basically going "No, ignore all these barbaric stuff God and his followers did. That's not what he like to focus on, look how good this one guy is!".

I can just imagine if we tried that anywhere else...

"You see that one Nazi? The one who worked his ass off to hide/refuge and free Jewish people? He's a good man. Let's now all praise him and Nazi's cause now Nazi's are good people... What? You want to look at the rest of the Nazi's? Oh no, no... That's not what being a Nazi is about, those are just men's words, and misinterpretations of what being a Nazi is".
The Nexerus said
Magnum, you clearly either didn't read or didn't comprehend the post you just replied to. The Jewish laws and customs outlined in the Old Testament have no baring on Christianity, and the story of the Israelites is not an example of how Christians are called to act.Jesus directly contradicts many Old Testament passages. Christianity is the religion of Christ, of Jesus of Nazareth, not Abraham and the Israelites. If a piece of legislation is revised, you cannot defend yourself in court by saying that your actions were in line with the older, now obsolete legislation. The story of the Israelites serves as context for the arrival of Jesus.


This one seemed to got lost when I was catching up on the pages of posts earlier, so I'll make sure to address this now.

The Old Testament does have baring on Christianity. It is from the Christian God, in the Christian Bible. It is Christian beliefs, laws and customs.

Jesus is what Christianity likes to say it's all about, probably because unlike most Christian characters Jesus was actually a pretty cool and chill guy. That way when Christianity tries to convert people they don't have to deal with the inconvenience of defending insane murderers and rapists, and simply be able to go "Look at Jesus! He was cool". May most of the original Christians been Jewish according to the Bible? Yes. But this is also because Christianity actually came from Jewish Religions which existed longer than Christianity did. :P

As for the whole "If law is revised you can't defend yourself in court with old laws". That isn't the case though, the Bible never actually says to ignore the OT. That's just a commonly believe/accepted claim among the Christian community cause it allows them to conveniently ignore many of Gods barbaric acts, making it easier to defend their god to people and convert people. As far as the Bible/God himself is concerned though, the OT still applies.

And regardless of that laws we have are made by humans. We revise them because humanity changes, culture changes, we learn from our mistakes. God is all powerful and all knowing. He should never have a need to change his laws or rules, he is completely capable of making a set of rules that can always be followed, or followers always capable of following those rules. If he his what the Bible claims he is, has no need to ever re-write laws, change things or learn from mistakes cause there is nothing to learn or adapt to. He already knows everything, and can do anything.
ActRaiserTheReturned said
Well, God doesn't change because people think he does. That's. Just. Your opinion man. I'm telling you what the Gospel is and who God is. That's my only job. Not to convince you of anything.


Except me and Brovo have been the ones doing that.

Bringing out Bible quotes of what God (if he exists) actually said.
So Boerd said That would depend on the definition of all powerful. The definition I gave, that God has all powers which exist sounds much closer to all powerful than omnipotence.


But these powers still leave him with things he is unable to do.

Technically you are correct in that he would have all the powers, but if he still even then lacks the power to do certain things then he isn't all powerful since there ware areas he lacks power in.

So Boerd said Context here is helpful. I was responding to a link he gave to some generic non-dom Christian page offering an opinion I do not share about Hell.Show me once where I have dismissed the Bible? I have merely said other truths about God exist outside it.

So Boerd said
"Not believing in him is sufficient punishment to be sent to hell even if you're a girl scout supporting nurse who sacrifices everything to save babies. Don't believe in god? Go to hell. Again, immoral. Again, not worth worship, even if he did exist."Not actually true.


1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness".

Acts 3:19 "Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord".

So Boerd said
He created souls, not what they were composed of. Intelligence, the essence of YOU, was not made by Him. The soul, your incorporeal form and how you interface with reality, was created by Him.


Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

So Boerd said
I believe I just said He didn't create everything.Now, when you're done telling me what I believe, rather than asking, we can continue.Also, citation from Genesis?


Colossions 1: 16 "For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him".

John 1:3 "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made".
So Boerd said What is the minimum standard of evidence for you to accept God?


First you need to prove there is a God that exists, which basically mean having more evidence than science has... and at the moment Religion has 0 so you really need to get working on that. :P
But even then all you have established is that a God exist, not which god. So once you did that, you also need to prove out of the countless religions that exist that yours in the right one.
If we want to be technical you can make the argument with that logic that anytime a woman has a period is a potential for life/a great individual that is wasted and we are possibly throwing away a great person. So obviously the only moral thing to do is to make women always pregnant. :P
Well, Brovo basically argued most of the points I would of argued anyways. Just a few area's I feel the need to add in here! XD

So Boerd said
Because He doesn't. He can't change your soul. He can speak with you, explain to you, but cannot make you learn or more importantly understand anything, as making you understand takes away your free will. Jesus had to physically suffer every pain so he could understand it.


If God can't do something then it's not all powerful, so your God/Bible is lying or once again as Brovo says, the author had another loop hole.

So Boerd said
Is it the mark of foolishness to admit one does not know something? There are secrets in this universe that elude you, there a secrets of religion which elude him. I will answer all your questions I have answers for.


Science even admits it doesn't know things. But it at least gives evidence and proof upfront for what it does know (or has the clearest idea on).
While God is literally not giving out any proof or evidence and just expecting you to believe, and them complicates it with not only all the proof/evidence towards science, but allowing thousands of other religions to exist which all operate on the exact same logic and arguments you are.

So Boerd said
I believe I just said He didn't create everything.Now, when you're done telling me what I believe, rather than asking, we can continue.Also, citation from Genesis?


He's not telling you what you believe. He's telling you what the Bible and your God has said.

And sorry to break it to you, but your Bible is Christianity. The religion was absolutely nothing to stand on if not the Bible.
If you're going to argue away, dismiss, disagree with the Bible etc then you are effectly arguing and disagreeing with Christianity and your God.
In which case calling yourself a Christian would be an inaccurate statement.

ActRaiserTheReturned said
You are incapable of seeing very much of God, just like I am. I am no better than you. You are no better than me. Neither of us, no matter how moral, smart, dumb or wicked are enough different from each other to be good by God's standards. That's because God is infinitely better than all of our entire species combined. He sees things as they are, and sees infinitely into not just our present, past and mortal future condition, but infinitely into the great beyond. Possibly even beyond time as we know it. We see God as a germ could possibly comprehend the body of a man immune to disease. There's nothing we can do to comprehend it, but we are a part of his body, like um. . . necessary bacteria, as it were. (Being metaphorical here). This man is a brilliant scientist intelligent enough to transform us into a man from the singular cell we are. Our only requirement for venturing into the great unknown is to board his nano-machine vessels before we are eaten away by the white blood cells! ;)Hitler tried to kill God by killing many of his poor innocent bacteria, and incited a war against valiant white blood cells in a bid for bodily conquest! Fortunately God's white blood cells rid the vile Hitler of his evil menace! Sadly though, the time for a bacteria's life span is very short. The only way for us to live forever, is to enter into the nano-machines. If we don't enter into the nano-machine ships, we get thrown up! :(Thus, we end up living in the eternal hell of the sewers forever!


"You are incapable of seeing very much of Muhammad, just like I am. I am no better than you. You are no better than me. Neither of us, no matter how moral, smart, dumb or wicked are enough different from each other to be good by Muhammad's standards. That's because Muhammad is infinitely better than all of our entire species combined. He sees things as they are, and sees infinitely into not just our present, past and mortal future condition, but infinitely into the great beyond. Possibly even beyond time as we know it. We see Muhammad as a germ could possibly comprehend the body of a man immune to disease. There's nothing we can do to comprehend it, but we are a part of his body, like um. . . necessary bacteria, as it were. (Being metaphorical here). This man is a brilliant scientist intelligent enough to transform us into a man from the singular cell we are. Our only requirement for venturing into the great unknown is to board his nano-machine vessels before we are eaten away by the white blood cells! ;)Hitler tried to kill Muhammad by killing many of his poor innocent bacteria, and incited a war against valiant white blood cells in a bid for bodily conquest! Fortunately Muhammad's white blood cells rid the vile Hitler of his evil menace! Sadly though, the time for a bacteria's life span is very short. The only way for us to live forever, is to enter into the nano-machines. If we don't enter into the nano-machine ships, we get thrown up! :(Thus, we end up living in the eternal hell of the sewers forever!"

Still agree with your argument? :P

Muhammad and God are basically the exact same, both religions, both have holy books, both promote highly immoral acts.
Both give no real evidence for their existence and rely on faith, both will torture for eternally for being how you were made.
Both created and allowed evil in the world and committed great genocides.

Both require you to abandon thinking and asking questions to and to simply believe and accept.
So let's just assume for one second your argument of simply believing in God held weight, and that questioning things was pointless.

Why should I be a Christian? When there's all these other religions out there operating on the exact same logic?
The Nexerus said ^ I'd love for you to quote a bible passage wherein Jesus tells his disciples go out and rape someone.


Jesus specifically never did, but God had allowed/told his disciples to several times.

I made a list just a few posts ago so just go back if you want to see it.

The Nexerus said That's not remotely true. Besides the actions specifically prohibited in the Bible, which under your logic would be considered Christian for some reason, there's also the matter of the Old and New Covenants and their associated commandments.Christianity isn't a derivative of Judaism any more. Jewish laws and traditions aren't compelled onto Christians.


Please read one post of mine before the one you were replying to.
I literally just addressed this.
Jett Ryu said
I see your points. But war is profitable. Just look at Germany after the Nazis started WWII. During the war the economy was very strong. Same goes for America, Japan, and England. But other than food for thought, the idea might make some good RPs on here.


That's because the war opened up a ton of new jobs for people to make the weapons and such, which meant less unemployment and more working people.
Stuff like that isn't relevant to mercenaries, they only care for the money going directly to them for fighting. While the government's wealth is internally dependent on their citizens and how well off and employed they are.
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