Intrepid

Myriad Reality

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I made it clear before that care for the goal and care for the obstacles are independent.

@Techspert

Always? Every time?

Myriad Reality

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Your argument is flawed because you begin with the assumption that humans can't be apathetic toward obstacles in order to prove that humans can't be apathetic toward obstacles.

@Techspert

True apathy would involve no care for the goal, which would mean they wouldn't really have a desire to achieve the goal and, therefore, no true goal in the first place. Caring for the goal means there is no apathy, and that's where the care for obstacles comes from.

Myriad Reality

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Allow me to present an analogy on why I believe that isn't the case. A computer, for instance, cannot think, reason, know, or care. It may have a goal and a set of instructions that are "through any means necessary, fulfil this goal." Or even if it were just "Fulfil this goal," it will likely not extrapolate any parameters for that. It does not care about the means at all, solely that it reaches an end.

@Techspert

The simple fact is that people aren't computers though. They care about the end enough that, by nature, they will have some level of care for the things that stand in their way. You can't compare people to computers because there is an entire array of traits that sets them apart. If you are fighting a computer, though, like our friend Kat here, then maybe you'd be right.

Myriad Reality

@Techspert

In order to acheive the goal they've set forth, the thing they do care about, they have to have some level of care, "good" or "bad", for the obstacles that prevent them reaching it.

Myriad Reality

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They would do whatever pleased them without caring who got harmed in the process. If their goal is to actively hurt others, pthen no. Duh.

@Techspert

That's still indirect care.

Myriad Reality

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Because those who don't care have even less regard for human life than those who wish to destroy it.

@Techspert

True lack of care would mean they wouldn't be threatening human life. Otherwise, it isn't really lack of care.

Myriad Reality

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You'd be surprised.

@Techspert

Why would someone like that be in a position to fight you, anyways?

Myriad Reality

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As an example, I'd rather fight someone out to do evil intentionally than someone who's ambivalent either way. The latter is far more dangerous.

@Techspert

You usually won't be combating ambivalence.

Myriad Reality

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Lukewarm is in many cases worse than cold.

@Techspert

Explain, please?

Myriad Reality

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The absence of good is evil, just as the absence of heat is cold. You also implicitly contradicted yourself.

@Techspert

I say that not because it's what I believe, but how theh act. Also, the right amount of heat leads to lukewarm, which is analogous to neutrality.