Intrepid

Myriad Reality

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So when a police officer, or even better, a lucky guy walking down the street stops a criminal from killing someone and that criminal's family starves because his wife can't get a job, you blame the guy who saved someone else? There's a HUGE flaw in your reasoning.

@Techspert

That’s not at all what it is. These are helpless people we’re talking about.

Myriad Reality

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Sounds like a pretty cruddy society.

@Techspert

It was a pretty cruddy everything. For everyone involved. No one is exempt from that.

Myriad Reality

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Maybe it would help if you walked through a specific example. As far as I can remember, bystanders are typically unaffected.

@Techspert

After the fall of Waternaux City, when ex-President Indigo was killed, people who were being taken care of in charitable establishments, such as for the sick and homeless, were berated, shunned, and sometimes even beaten for having accepted his aid. And no one wanted to pick up the stragglers that he left behind. Many starved, or otherwise met ill fates. People hated the man’s legacy so much that they wouldn’t take any of the good things he left and continue them.

Myriad Reality

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I don't kill good guys.

@Techspert

You’re so stuck to defending the fact that you only kill “bad people” that you’re not really listening to what I’m saying. It’s not just the people you kill. The families see repercussions. Bystanders see repercussions. Sometimes people suffer without ever knowing what or who caused the damage that, say, destroyed their hone, for example. Sometimes “bad” people aren’t necessarily doing “bad” things just for the sake of it. Maybe something happens to them when people actually depend on them, but no one bothers to check, so those people suffer. Andy Indigo comes to mind. Sometimes it’s a friend. Sometimes you lose a friend amongst your group, regardless of their moral standing in your group in relation to you. And when they’re gone, it’s like losing family.
*Breathes in deeply and looks up at the ceiling*

Myriad Reality

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I don't have a book titled "The Family Trees of All Villains" sitting anywhere in my library, so no. I unironically have no way of communicating with anyone they talk to and they're all better off without them.

@Techspert

Screw the villains, that’s only one example. What about all the other kinds of people?

Myriad Reality

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Not exactly a reasonable request. Next you'll want us to support their family forever too.

@Techspert

You’re kidding, right?

Myriad Reality

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Where are you deriving your definition of justice?

@Techspert

Fairness and the providing of closure to situations where one or more people have been wronged in some way, or may otherwise suffer. Doing what’s right.

Myriad Reality

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Your problem is the assumption that being the judge and executioner is unjust. You also lost me at that last bit.

@Techspert

Isn’t it?

Myriad Reality

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Nope. A dude walks into your home and you kill him in self defense. He probably also had a family that now has to find a way to survive without a primary source of income. He also didn't have that "due process" thing. But honestly, pretty much nobody is going to be bothered to care any less, because it was about protection. Plus, it's not like we have some kind of court on our scale; call us vigilantes if you want, but that's meaningless to everybody but you.

@Techspert

Home invasion is a good example. A lot of the time, your example holds true. But it isn’t always so one sided. A lot of bad people die through the inverse, and the other people indirectly involved have no way to change it. No way to get justice, or at least try, even if it would never succeed. Discounting the opinion because you don’t share it, despite the fact that so many do, is one of the few reasons my respect for your collective isn’t what it could be. A lot of you share that opinion. It doesn’t matter why people die to determine that people care, it’s just that they did.

Myriad Reality

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"Wow, I'm going to torture a thousand people after I beat you. Oh no I lost. Now I can't torture a thousand people."
No, not really seeing the connection.

@Techspert

Despite the bad things some people do, there can be- note not always are, but can be- people who care for them. And despite the fact that they were doing something bad, their life was taken on the spot, at the discretion if someone they don’t know, without any semblance of due process or anything. This is one generic example, of course, but you see where I’m going?