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ShonHarris said
Jesus I hope you're trolling. Alright, before this is read, just know that statements like the above rank about an inch lower than pile a dog mess on a side-walk. I'm going to point out some serious notes where prejudice is clearly present in our system, but I'm also going to tear apart that perspective, because it simply must be trolling, but if it's not, I really cannot stand to allow it the time and patience of a thorough, point-by-point argument. Chances are with a perspective like this you may well not be sharing in order to have new views introduced -- I suspect you're probably just throwing out a grenade and waiting for the backlash. So here's mine. Okay... hold on. So, let's talk about this for a moment. 1) White People refers to, oh, people who have white skin. 2) African American refers to people with roots leading back to Africa. First problem here is that you're not distinguishing parties in a way that makes sense. I say this because, an African American can be white, and can actually declare themselves as white too, but still be African. While being from Africa does have his associations, for example many just assume you hail from poverty, it is more the obvious distinction of a person being of colour or not, or of having some apparent sign of their "non-white" culture. There institutionalized racism and oppression based on what group you hail from. Random example could be that people with white skin have committed numerous atrocities and genocides, shootings, bombings, and horrific killing sprees in the United States. Yet, somehow, anyone who is seemingly Arabic or perhaps Muslim is more apt to associated with such activities, and are much likelier to be pulled aside in airports or in some states (I'm looking at you, Arizona) to prove their citizenship. We could talk about the deaths after recent Stand Your Ground laws and the disproportionate number of cases where a person of colour is killed by a white person and it's ruled as self defence despite disturbing circumstances suggesting otherwise. There's of course media representation, which is actually accepted as a flaw by figures in the business, often depicting any of people of colour (beyond just African) in highly stereotypical, often demeaning ways. Oh, oh, shoot, I almost forgot the studies that have come up showing that charges related to drug possession often differ greatly depending on the ethnicity of the accused. Right, do you remember the inner city school full of mostly students of colour, Harper High? They're at 29 students shot, 8 killed by gun violence. They actually had pretty big shooting last year, but didn't receive much media attention -- yet other schools suffering the same, but with far less children hurt gained tons of attention, granted those were largely white, suburban schools. See racism is ugly. Nobody gets behind pure, illogical hatred that leads to violence with no rhyme or reason. People followed Hitler, because it was empowering to shame another group and oppress them, especially in light of their severe humiliation not two decades prior. The most evil minds are all too often convinced that their actions make sense, and in that sense, they are free to do as they please. So obviously those parts of the system that perpetuate oppression and prejudice aren't going to blatantly identify their oppressive nature. They're going to act subtly, but the power dynamics will still be written and the pain still felt. I'm sure it's wonderful to be able to pass alongside the majority that are expected to have the most opportunity and be generally acceptable just from appearance. It must be nice not have people commenting on how exotic your hair is, or when you jewellery, ask what that means to your culture. Shoot, it must be extremely nice not to get pulled over by police while you walk to work in a hoodie and accused of selling drugs. I get that it's probably hard to see the prejudice when it's constantly aimed at you. I'm sure you've felt that sort of hate at some point in your life, and that experience is valid, absolutely. But in North America if you're of colour, you're a minority. And the simple fact is that nobody is going to defend your image, or you culture, or simply accept that you are an individual, without somehow noting your ethnicity, your race, or generally that superficial difference. I am so happy for you that prejudice is not a systematic problem in your world. Woo.... Okay, that's out of my system and, honestly, it felt good. I usually hold my tongue when people say such blatantly asinine things, but there's a lapse. Enjoy!


Wow, you've hit the nail on the head. I agree with this entire rant almost 100%. I know I said I'm withdrawing from this discussion, but after reading this I just couldn't resist commenting again. It's also worth noting that I am white so am rather sheltered from racism, but I'm not quite so ignorant to deny it exists.
The Nexerus said
The only institutionalized racism in North America is against white people, via affirmative action. African Americans are more likely to get arrested than white people because African Americans are statistically more likely to engage in criminal activity.


And this is when I step out of this conversation due to risk of me resorting to flaming...
Kaga said
I tend to have these weird little conversations with myself sometimes. Except I don't really feel like I'm talking to myself - it's like part of me thinks I'm talking to one of my friends, about something we would actually talk about. And I do this without even really thinking about it, too. :/


I talk to myself sometimes when I'm trying to focus on one task or I'm thinking hard about something. I suppose it's more so just me thinking aloud though rather than an outright conversation.
I just turned 23 a few days ago.
Magnum, this has actually stayed surprisingly civil. That's quite an accomplishment for me since political discussions usually turn ugly pretty quickly when I'm involved unless it's with fellow left-wingers, which this one is not. There's just some things I'm way too emotional about, for reasons I won't get into here. I think everybody has at least one issue they feel that strongly about though.

mdk said That's what I mean though, too. There's plenty of people out there who think that playing too much GTA leads to school shootings -- obviously I think that's bunk, for a lot of good reasons, but the point is, 'X leads to violence' is not a good premise for making laws. Within reason. I mean we do the whole ESRB rating thing, but I'm not sure if that's taken seriously or not (no perspective, it started up after I was already like 20 or something and I don't have kids).


It's still a poor comparison though since many racist groups tend to be more violent than other groups. Hatred oftentimes fuels violence. I'm not saying every racist is violent, but it does happen. Many people don't realize it, but there's still very much institutionalized racism against coloured people in America, which makes them easier targets in many cases. African-Americans are more likely to get arrested than white people, for example. There also tends to be higher rates of poverty in black neighbourhoods, but that's getting a bit away from the main point now.

Also, with that said, I'm not inherently against violence as I do believe it has its uses, but one of those acceptable uses doesn't include beating up a black person simply because you don't like black people.
mdk said
So do video games, depending on who you ask. Why can't we just have physical assault be illegal?If your answer was, 'well that doesn't completely prevent the problem' -- you're on the right track, good job. Now if a law against violence doesn't prevent violence, what's the purpose of a law against racism? If anything, it seems like that would further isolate and radicalize your local racists.


Video games are a poor example since they're exactly that, games. Real life is a lot different since real people are actually being harmed instead of virtual people.
Since it came up the problem with racists, Neo-Nazis, etc. is that often they'll resort to physical assault. Shit like that can't be legal.
Giant said
Darn. Should I move from tiny Albania to some other country?


We really need West Germany, but if you would really rather play Warsaw Pact then I won't force you to play West Germany.
Aww that's a shame. We're losing a lot of players.
Pepperm1nts said
How dare our overlords strip us of our god-given freedom to reject seat-belts.


I lol'ed.
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