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Well, this has more or less cleared it up. Having the blade strike at an inwards angle does indeed reinforce the strike; though i think i've found a different way to reasonably slip the damage.

As for the throw, i guess i'll have to stick to the way it's written now?


Yeah, if you have a method of avoiding the strike it won't matter much Sigurd is doomed regardless.
@MelonHead No, not quite. He'd keep his left arm around Sigurd's leg, grab the belt with his right and pull him down, so that when they land, Sigurd's right leg could be quickly tucked under his armpit, and the left leg - grabbed with his right arm.

The way i have it currently written, Sigurd would land with both his legs to Gigue's right, which complicates the whole process, as opposed to the right leg already being grasped in his left arm and left leg being on his right side, easily within reach.


OK, I see how that move would work, but you have to understand that you've not really written that at all, your character grabbed Sigurd's belt with his left hand and had his right around the leg, so it seemed like a more conventional suplex that would have Gigue right in front of Sigurd when his thrust came down.

Although as my interrupt comes somewhere near the start of the grappling process I'm not sure it would change the outcome of the thrust driving into Gigue's shoulder.
Also, in regards to the ice-pick grip with the sword, though it seems a little strange it does have a historical precedent. Both in dueling and in warfare, or at least, there are educated guesses that cavalry-men may have favoured the reverse grip for dealing with infantryman, so you can see how it's applicable (and very dangerous) here. And yes, this is also with longswords, not just shorter blades.
Yeah that part threw me a little, I assumed it was just a follow up once Sigurd was on the ground (and therefore not overly important as I intended to interrupt). Therefore I only imagined Gigue as attempting to throw Sigurd using his belt and his right leg as leverage. (Which obviously makes the sword thrust make more sense)

So are you saying that was a mistake, and Gigue actually meant to grab Sigurd's left leg with his right to perform a more standard take down? Considering you're attempting to pull Sigurd forward I'm not sure that would be any different than the belt grab, seeing as how Gigue is basically doing this using his strength alone rather than decent leverage (sort of like a reverse dump tackle.)

I am a little confused now though.
Well, the weight of the blade and the style of grip is conductive to a very powerful stab, it's coming from above and aimed at the shoulder and neck so the question is whether Gigue's body would have moved sufficiently (and destabilised Sigurd significantly) to offset the point so that it would glance down either his front or back instead.

Due to the position of the two fighters I believe the thrust would be coming in at an angle toward Sigurd, so Gigue moving backward would be unlikely to offset the point sufficiently, and once it makes contact with the top of his very broad shoulder the weight and power of the thrust should drive it through his armour and body. It's also at a slight leftward angle, which means that a glancing strike could offset the point into the bottom of Gigue's throat if he were unlucky.

Sigurd being pulled over is not going to be easy, all credit to Gigue's strength but he's got his work cut out for him lifting the warrior's entire body weight and armour up and then falling backwards, because Gigue's leverage isn't the best with his grip only on Sigurd's right side and one foot. Therefore we can assume that even though Sigurd will be dragged to the ground his thrust isn't going to be massively affected.

I suppose the question is which is faster, Sigurd's thrust or Gigue's grapple/suplex, they were launched at roughly the same time due to Gigue's hyperarmour delay.

@MelonHead

The timing seems such that Gigue's backwards roll would skew the blade as it comes down, misdirecting the thrust's force and turning what would be a deep puncture into a shallow tear. If you're fine with it, that will be in my next post. I'd like to clear any disagreements beforehand, if such arise.


It is a backwards roll? I thought it was more of a suplex, seeing as how Gigue couldn't really afford to bend too much or he'd break his own neck or back when Sigurd's weight fell on him.

Anyway, I don't think the attack can be avoided by merit of the actions you've already stated, unless Gigue does something else I don't see how an ice-pick stab downwards can be turned into a shallow tear. The thing is, another flesh wound really wouldn't be good enough for Sigurd in this scenario, if he doesn't weaken Gigue it's over, and there's no reason why the sword stab wouldn't work (in my mind) so I can't accept another flesh wound for the sake of prolonging the fight. That being said feel free to come up with whatever, if I think the damage is unfair I'll let you know and if we can't come to an impasse Pollen can judge.
Sure I'm still interested.
Sigurd’s shield slammed into what could only be described as a magical aura, though users of ward spells were not uncommon enough for the Northman to be completely taken aback. However, though he had failed to do the blunt damage he wished for in a certain sense his ultimate goal had been achieved. Sigurd was only trying to earn himself time to utilize his blade, the weapon by which he could finish the fight. He had done that, as Gigue’s hyperarmour froze him momentarily a second passed and Sigurd’s shield was dragged away, even as his hand released on the hilt of his blade and span beneath, seizing it in an ice-pick grip. Gigue was right in thinking he was relatively safe from the blade at close range, however there was something Sigurd could do to take advantage of his current height advantage over his stationary foe.

Simultaneous to Gigue’s shield slipping and his action of grabbing at Sigurd’s belt the Northman would be ready, first lifting the hilt of his blade high and over his grappling foe, before plunging the point down with all his might. It was an all or nothing strike in a sense, as his enemy’s great strength would take hold in a matter of moments. Gigue’s lifting motion would disable Sigurd’s defences, but it was like for like, even as Sigurd was thrown forward he’d complete his downward thrust, aiming the point through Gigue’s left shoulder near the neck, with enough force to punch through armour and flesh to the vital organs beneath.

The fate of his thrust would dictate Sigurd’s future, though at the very least he had the foresight to turn his point so he wouldn’t fall on the edge of his own blade.
Presuming the Mech heard very little, and it would definitely hear something if the Pater was moving around in its vicinity in the near silent forest, Higan turned around and climbed up the hill. Unmolested, he should reach the ‘summit’ fairly quickly. He was basically following Scout 101, find the tallest spot and look around.

Upon reaching it he’d be able to do just that. The blindspot was to either side of the thin strip of vision he had remaining, swapping to Electric vision and slowly spinning around 360 degrees should leave little potential for the Pater to avoid his gaze. He could listen out while doing it as well, so there was a good chance he would re-aquire his prey if it lurked on the surface. If not, he’d probably have to follow his GPS home for repairs.
Hmm, I think Sigurd has something he can do then, expect a reply later.
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