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World in Revolution: 1861

The Nexerus said
Let's continue down that train of thought, then. If Belgium being reunited with the Netherlands was an event that contributed to the war, then wouldn't the separation of Belgium in the first place also be a contributing factor, since it was the reason that the reunification occurred?

Belgium had been its own state for a long while before the Dutch "reunited" it, though. It's irrelevant now that the Dutch once owned Belgium. Belgium, at the time of its conquest, was an independent, sovereign state. The Netherlands violated that sovereignty when they invaded. The only way I could see this "reunification" argument having any merit, is if the people of Belgium themselves called for the reunification, and the Dutch simply delivered on their wishes. But that didn't happen, nor was it very likely to happen. Sure, the Dutch probably have some support in the North, but I highly doubt the country of Belgium, as a whole, supported the annexation.

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Yeah, I might be missing something, but it seems to me like you guys are just conveniently separating theses events into two separate wars so you can claim that the allies have no right to demand Belgium be restored at the end of it all (provided they win the war). The way I see it (and again, I could be missing something), the war began partly because of the annexation of Belgium. Therefore, if the allies win, they are fully within their rights to demand Belgium be restored.

If these events were years apart, then I'd agree that it would be too late to demand a free Belgium. But the war began soon after (even if the conquest of Belgium was done already) and partly in response to Belgium being annexed, so I would consider the annexation of Belgium to be part of the on-going war.

Just callin' them like I see 'em.

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So Boerd said
He said cease hostilities. That does not mean rollback other wars that are already over.

Arguably, this is all part of the same war. One could say the war began the moment the Dutch invaded Belgium. I might be missing some bits here and there, but it seems to me it was at around that time that hostilities truly began. The annexation of Belgium is one of the key reasons for the war, or at least it seems so from my perspective.

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So Boerd said
Hmm. ..

To be fair, the Dutch began hostilities by annexing Belgium. It's not hostile of the allies to ask for Belgium to be restored to its original form, it's actually quite reasonable.

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The Nexerus said
They realized they weren't making a good decision and sent their ships sailing back home before they'd landed on American soil.

That must have been some mighty fast messenger ship, to have been able to catch up with the strike force and call off the attack.

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That declaration stated an attack on the Confederate States would be considered an attack on the English and French. How come the French and English aren't helping the CSA? :P

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Giant said
Nope, I meant as examples of what you said. I agree.

O.

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Giant said
See: Sealand, Sahrawi Republic, etc.

Sealand is not legally a country, though. It claims to be, but it is not recognized by any state. You can't say "I'm a country" and automatically become one.

I hadn't heard of the Sahrawi Republic, but quick research revealed that it's only a partially recognized state. By the looks of it, it's in a very complicated situation where many countries have recognized it, but a lot have also either not recognized it, or withdrawn their recognition. It's not really comparable to Sealand though.

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Pasta Sentient said
The South was a legitimate country in it's own right. Even if the rest of the world didn't agree. We're just playing possum. :P

The world has to agree you're a country, to be a country.

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So Boerd said
Well, except you want total annexation so...

Is it annexation though? The CSA are rebels. The US is merely reclaiming its territory.