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In Feral 12 yrs ago Forum: Advanced Roleplay
I actually have some ideas for a mild distraction arc while we wait for Wk to come back from the dead.
I'll try to hash out a post soon, I've just been having university exams. They'll be done by Tuesday though.
Hey just an update, having exams till 18th. I'll post then
Ichthys said
So then, since the wolves do not flinch when struck, meaning they are not completley controlled by the caster, what is the process to control an illusion? Are the orders for the illusion preordained, upon conception? Or is an illusion dynamic, as in it acts as the proper thing that it actually is?On another note, are illusions completely a deception of the senses, or can they, to some degree, have physical properties? In other words, are all illusions completely intangible, unable to be interacted in all circumstances?And finally, on a somewhat related note, considering the illusions' natures are in the belief of the victim, are the illusion's subjective, meaning they are different for each person (some see it, some don't, depending on the belief of the person)? Or are they objective (everyone sees the illusory wolf, and the ones that don't believe the lie just /know/ it's illusory)?I hope you don't find the questions to be too much. I just need clarification, because, honestly, I love the idea. In fact, one of my first ever RP characters worked with illusions (a form of magic I thoroughly enjoy), and I know firsthand how powerful (and sometimes extremely irritating and obscure, when opposed or questioned) such an ability can be. These clarifications are necessary to keep any problems at bay, in the future. Sorry though, for how prodding it seems I am.


The rough idea is this, Tanis casts an illusion and sets the general idea of it - like say a large wolf is attacking. She creates the wolf, and sets where it appears from, but the actual details of the attack are filled in by the target, like say, if they throw an arm up in panic, the wolf would obviously bite that part because, that's what people usually expect to happen. How dynamic the illusion is boils down to a matter of circumstance - a wolf will behave like a wolf, a sword like a sword, unless Tanis creates a specific illusions that contradicts the usual behaviour of said object, like if she wanted an arrow that doesn't fly straight, she could make one.

As for how tangible they are, at this point unless Tanis is disguising something physical under an illusion then, no, they don't. This might be a possible upgrade, so to speak, later on, or it'll take some serious power to make a tangible illusion. Even then, I imagine anything Tanis would be able to make would be at most the size of a human being.

Finally, the illusions are objective. Anyone who is the intended target of the illusion sees it.
Ichthys said
So what prevents her from creating the illusion of some sort of unbearable pain (say, a horde of wolves) that puts the person in shock or some other form of handicap, and just waltzing up and actually dispatching of her victims easily? What are the restraints to her abilities? As mentioned previously, magic is inhibited by the knowledge of the caster. What is the extent of her knowledge on illusions and the senses? This is what I was asking in my first question, pertaining to her understanding. :p I'm trying to get an estimated maximum for her spell prowess currently, gauging if she can be considered unbalanced or not.


If you're going by scientific terms then yes, that is possible. However, it is unlikely she will ever be able to pull off something of that magnitude for a couple of reasons - the greater the illusion, the more power it requires, and also, the deception is only convincing up to a certain point. Her understanding of illusions is that you can trick more than just sight and hearing, and that if someone believes in an illusion entirely, they will react as if the real thing were happening to them. It does not, however, cause their physiological functions to react the same way. Let's use the pack of wolves example - a lone wolf might have been easy to miss, but if you have say five of them, you have to be able to hit at least one. If that doesn't happen or the hit lands and the wolf doesn't flinch, the illusion falls apart because the you'd figure out these aren't real wolves.

They might believe they are in actual pain, but unless there is an actual physical blow that would cause shock, their body won't respond. Besides, there are simpler ways of disabling someone other than casting a large illusion like an entire pack of wolves devouring the target - a poison dart, sleep spell, or simply hitting them really hard in the head.
Drakel said
I'll reread your posts and maybe have daniel meat one of your characters... if worse comes to worse I'd just give you something to do.


Post for Sinna while you're at it
Ichthys said
Tada~The new round has begun, and dare I say, the plot has thickened. Let the game of politics begin.Now, regarding Tanis' magic, are you or are you not saying then, considering your most recent clarification, that the illusion magic does not in anyway cause physical harm or sensation? Are injuries of any sort probable? Can the illusion be so intense as to cause death or true injury, considering the sheer belief of the victim?


Nope. It's basically psychosomatic pain, in a sense. The problem is when you're fighting an imaginary wolf and flailing on the ground because you think it had your leg, for example, when she has a very real sword.
Hmm.. You got a point there. Though why would she do that instead of actually blinding the guy? The thing about her Illusions is that they are only as convincing as the subjects willingness to believe the lie. Something as far fetched as stopping the heart or blinding someone won't be possible. Self-preservation instincts are too strong for that.

Whaf I meant by tricking the five senses is that her Illusions aren't just visual. If she castanets illusion of a wolf for example, the target would head snarls and feel the wolf's bite even though no actual damage is done.

Alternatively, I can alter the illusion ability to something akin to materialising dreams and nightmares briefly. The subject would be able to fight back, albeit against their worst fear or Achilles heel
Hmm.. You got a point there. Though why would she do that instead of actually blinding the guy? The thing about her Illusions is that they are only as convincing as the subjects willingness to believe the lie. Something as far fetched as stopping the heart or blinding someone won't be possible. Self-preservation instincts are too strong for that.

Whaf I meant by tricking the five senses is that her Illusions aren't just visual. If she castanets illusion of a wolf for example, the target would head snarls and feel the wolf's bite even though no actual damage is done.

Alternatively, I can alter the illusion ability to something akin to materialising dreams and nightmares briefly. The subject would be able to fight back, albeit against their worst fear or Achilles heel
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