Tatsua Aiisen

Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry

@Tatsua Aiisen You shouldn't be worried about starting a debate, otherwise we'd be stuck wondering 'what is dis?' and twiddle our thumbs until nothing happens, that being said . . .

I agree and disagree with you. From what I've seen, the Patronus is a relatively simple spell to learn circa sixth year. From what I've read, the Harry Potter world is heavily dependent on innate talent for casting magic. Who teaches you what actually plays little part in casting the more advanced spells. Honestly, Harry learned it in his third year while the others learned it in their fifth year; irregardless of the circumstances, a sixth year learning about it shouldn't be too unusual - impressive, yes, but not unusual - as they're one year close to graduation.

As for why and how they learned it, that is entirely up to the person playing. I just want to point out that it's not impossible or unusual for a sixth year to learn said spell.

_{Also I have to laugh at Dumbledore's Army being called 'elite' - that's one gross overstatement, and Harry himself was not exactly a prodigy with magic. Talented, yes, but overall not very impressive; his magical talent was based on his dueling skills and reflexes rather than any actual genius in spell casting.}

@TheHangedMan

It's great to see somebody who's actually good at talking about these things. Naturally, I disagree with you, as for my reasons...

So we don't clog up the OOC too much

While much of a wizard's abilities are a result of talent, and hard work can nearly accomplish nothing to improve oneself beyond your base limits, for advanced magics such as the Patronus Charm it would be necessary to obtain special training to use it. That is, you would need somebody knowledgeable in its use (which is rare enough as is) to personally tutor you on how to use the charm, and you would have to be one of the rare individuals capable of preforming it.

As for Harry Potter not being a particularly "genius" wizard, that isn't really the point. The only reason Harry was able to master the Patronus charm was that he had special circumstances surrounding him, which spurred a veteran DADA specialist to personally tutor him in the Charm, which if I recall correctly took a few months for him to produce even the lowest level (despite him being rather good at DADA). Animal-form Patronuses are even harder to get a mastery of.

Oh and, the statement of "Elite few" regarding Dumbledore's Army was referring to the fact that it was only the most talented in their group who were able to get a hang on it. The only reason any of them were able to learn the Patronus charm was that one of its rare practitioners taught them directly. Without the necessity of Umbridge's tyrannical rule, it's doubtful that anybody in the school would even be given a chance to learn the charm.

Anyways, back on topic, I think that the Patronus Charm is not actually that easily learned. It's a post-NEWT level charm that relies on extremely unstable and unreliable mental states, requiring a very strong willpower and bursting natural talent, as well as an amount of training with spellwork to properly master its base functions.

As a whole, I'd say that only the most skilled DADA students would even have the possibility of using the Patronus charm, let alone conjuring an animal form effortlessly and finding the obscure scenarios where they might be taught it.

Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry

Mhm. Well, Ravenclaw, right? Besides, Harry Potter could do it in fifth year if I'm not correct?

@Tip

A student should not normally be able to preform one of the most incredibly advanced magics in the HP universe. Harry not only possessed a piece of one of the most powerful wizards to exist in centuries inside of him, but he was also the Chosen One, and trained personally by a member of the Order of the Phoenix who specialized in Defence Against the Dark Arts.

Not to mention, there isn't even any reason she would be taught it. It isn't taught in school, and there aren't a whole lot of Dementors flying around now that the crisis is over.

And before anybody brings up the small, elite few in Dumbledore's Army who managed to learn the Patronus Charm, this was during one of the largest Dark Arts crises of Britain's magical history, and they were personally taught by a piece of Lord Voldemort who was trained by a member of the Order of the Phoenix and was also the Chosen One.

That's kind of a big deal.

EDIT: To be certain, I should mention that I'm not trying to cause trouble or anything. It just sort of bothers me that Madison just casually preforms what nearly the entire wizarding population is incapable of casting, just so she could leave her friend a note. This is silly.

Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry

Not to be too flippant, but this is just an RP, and Tip seems fine with everything that has been done so far. So, in the name of casual, it's just an HP roleplay. As long as nobody is going mental with magic or something (and Tip approves all the minor things), I don't think there's a need to take issue with every little thing that hasn't been explicitly mentioned by the HP universe.

@The Muse of Eru

I'm not taking issue with it, just pointing it out. I'm fine with the GM making things up and adding whatever they please to this already large and richly developed universe. The only thing I take issue with is when things contradict the source material, which hasn't been happening too much yet, at least not from the GM.

Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry

Madison can preform the Patronus Charm? I'm impressed, that's pretty incredibly advanced and oddly specific magic.

Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry

Vampires are mostly under control of themselves all the time.

@Tip

There is no canon source for this.

Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry

I don't think anyone intended for the vampire to be accepted with open arms. Hence the need for charms and the mention of it being similar to the Lupin situation. He was accepted by the headmaster, but kept his secret from the general narrow-minded populace.

@The Muse of Eru

Not really narrow-minded. Having dangerous sub-humans in a place where children are taught is a serious safety issue.

Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry

Well, they would probably be heavily discriminated against (if not immediately expelled), just as much as the Werewolf, if their identity was revealed. It doesn't matter how accepting the headmaster is, if the wizarding community at large doesn't accept them.

Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry

Quick question...Lupin was a werewolf...Would it be alright if my character is a vampire? he would be using charms to give his skin more color and also he would be using an old form of magic to create his own blood source...

@makarov

I do not think that a Vampire would be able to fool Hogwarts's defences. Without special permission, they would probably not be allowed in the school. Is that what you were intending?

Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry

I was unsure of how closely we were sticking to the book's universe when I made my sheet. Since we're including outside materials, and new class options became available, I felt the need to update my sheet taking into account the new information.

As the roleplay hasn't started yet, it shouldn't be strange for things to be shifted around a little, here and there.

Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry

I am going to REPEAT what I said... PLEASE don't change classes unless absolutely necessary. It takes me forever to do the list.

@ScarlettWaters16

Feel free to not update the list if it really does bother you so much. I appreciate the effort, but if it truly causes you so much suffering, I'd have to ask that you don't put yourself through it for my sake. Please.