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@Savato
[Impact Crater, Bern, Switzerland]
Apocalypse stood, as the plasma bolts crashed into the ground around him. He noticed he had been surrounded, a group of Mutons holding their weaponry at the ready. He had been able to tell from the start that this opponent was a dangerous one, and the apparent danger excited him. In death and revival there was only victory for him. When he spoke, his voice was inhumanly deep and gruff. "I wish only to face the greatest foes I can find, and to crush them beneath my feet. You will be the first of many to fall before me." The behemoth's speech revealed him to be more intelligent than might have been apparent at first. Of course, the Ethereal had been well aware of the creature's intellectual capability from the start. What happened next, however, might surprise him.

Apocalypse seemed to flicker out of sight, once more instantly accelerating to the speed of sound. This time, however, it was not the ethereal he went after. So fast it seemed almost instant, he had appeared next to one of the Mutons, dodging through a hale of plasma bolts to land a single blow on the creature's chest. The armour worn by the mutons was comparable to the armoured plating of a tank, capable of shrugging off small arms fire with ease. Even the high-powered armour-piercing weaponry used by the Xcom elite team had a hard time inflicting any serious harm. And yet, this creature's single blow shattered it, annihilating it instantly. A wave of force traveled through the muton's body, like the force of a bullet after entering. It's internal organs were pulped, it's skeleton crushed, it's armour shattered. It all happened so fast that, to an outsider, the muton had simply exploded in a shower of blood.

The mutons fired, attempting to keep up. And yet, their movements weren't even close to the speed necessary to keep up with Apocalypse. He shot through the attacks, dodging some and simply tanking others. Any damage dealt to his body was swiftly healed, his form regenerating from even the most serious of blows. Without Apocalypse heading straight towards the creature, the Uber Ethereal had no way of hitting with it's psionic spears, and it was well aware of that. Within instants, the mutons were annihilated. Ranks ripped to pieces, single blows turning them to red fountains. Each punch holding the power of a small nuclear missile, right in the face.

A force of about twenty mutons was decimated in an instant, in a single breath. Less than a second had passed, and yet nothing remained but a thin red mist. The creature once more stood in the middle of the group, covered in blood and gore. It turned to the Ethereal, with a grin on it's face. The Mindfray had lessened it's abilities slightly, and several severe burn wounds could be seen on it's body, where an area had simply been burned away. And yet they swiftly closed, anything but a decisive blow useless against his immortal physique. And all this happened in less time than it would have taken most to pull off a single shot. "Now, shall we continue? Because now that your grunts are gone, I think you lost your ability to heal."

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@Kael Taiyou
Nova would simply smile. "So then why fight at all? In a multiverse of infinite worlds, are not all of your efforts insignificant? For every life you would save an infinite number would die. For every one who dies an infinite number live. Logically speaking, every single action you would take is pointless, every choice you make worthless." He gestures, as the armour is finished. It clicks together, every part fitting perfectly in the other. It thrums with psionic power, energy rushing through it. "But humans are not logical creatures, are we? I will save every life I can, and I will cleanse every evil I find. I will lead a crusade through a billion universes, and I will save a billion worlds. Every child that dies, every man that falls, is my personal responsibility. If what you say is true then my crusade will never end. But even as my task is infinite, so is my responsibility, and as such I must stand up for those that cannot stand up for themselves, and save what insignificant portion of this vast reality I can."

They were fighting words, spoken with true conviction. And it was clear that the Emperor was not daunted by the idea of such a crusade, a life of endless war, should he but be able to save those worlds he fights for. However, one other thing could be gleaned from his eyes, the self assured and determined gaze that swept the room. He would not take no for an answer, and he would not stop. There was no force in the multiverse that could dissuade him from the path he had chosen, and there was no obstacle he would not overcome in order to achieve it. Should this organization choose not to share this information, they would make themselves a powerful enemy. After all, if their leaders were not willing to share such information, perhaps someone more competent should be put in charge.

"I believe we can both agree that this reality would be better off with the technology you possess in my hands. Should the scope of the universe truly be as vast as you say it is, then any mistakes I make will be inconsequential. If it is as small as I hope it to be, then my Crusade will bring a glorious era of peace and prosperity to all living things." The suit of armour opened up, only to lock around the Emperor's body as he spoke. His previous garments vaporized as they were replaced. He simply continued speaking as the golden plates interlocked around his form, each piece perfectly fitted to his body. "Of course, I could most likely achieve the necessary knowledge without your assistance. However, such would be a waste of time and effort."

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@Dreaming@Punished Homura
I never intended for this to become an argument, although it seems to have reached that point on it's own.

I'll end this with the statement that I never intended to give a passive aggressive message. I can't transmit tone of voice through comments, and I'm sorry if you felt that I was being passive-aggressive.

My comment didn't refer to ionised gas as being literally impossible, but the fact that you said 'literally in no time at all'. It was simply that instantaneous transmission is impossible. Again sorry if I annoyed you ^_^

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@Savato
It only ups crit chance for snipers. But in snipers every tech tier ups the crit chance.

Well, they were able to destroy brick walls. So they're fairly powerful. So I'm going to assume they're around 1000 degrees Celcius, with the power to melt through a steel wall.

@Dreaming
It has a positive charge because of the lack of electrons. Electrons carry a negative charge, protons carry a positive charge. It's quite literally LESS electrical than almost any other form of matter, because all the electricity has left. This is also what makes it superconductive and susceptible to electromagnetism.

As I said, plasma can move as fast as the force affecting it propels it. And while we can relatively easily create plasma, launching it at an appreciable speed is a problem. We could build plasma weaponry, the plasma would simply dissipate rapidly after leaving the barrel, move slowly, and have less destructive force than modern ballistic weaponry.

Also, don't say 'literally' when describing something physically impossible.

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@Savato
Not sure where you're getting 'higher precision'?

Secondly, I'm thinking of how you'd define the destructive capacity of these weapons. Judging from the game it's about twice that of the assault weapons being used, but that's gameplay, and as established not very reliable. So I'd like to check with you once more on that point, to ensure that I have an idea of how much it's actually going to do when it hits.

Yes, but to those people a millisecond is far longer. Those are superhuman beings with reflexes so massively superhuman they'd have to have a fully electrical brain. Nothing in the Xcom game or lore indicates that the Mutons have reflexes or movements even close to that. It would take longer than 50 milliseconds to pull the trigger for most people, which is why sonic movement is so incredibly powerful.

@Dreaming
"id say its safe to assume a plasma rifle is moving faster than sound"
I found that way too amusing.

Plasma is a form of matter. It isn't any more electrical in nature than any other form of matter. It is subject to the normal laws of physics, and it's movement speed is entirely dependent on the force applied to it.

You do realize that we have the technology to ionize gas relatively easily, right? Like, you can get a little lamp-like thing that does just that. Commercially. It just isn't superheated. But I agree that plasma weapons could easily be used to fire at the speed of sound or beyond, because alien tech can do whatever it wants.

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Found this, for reference as to the length of a millisecond, to give perspective on just how fast Apocalypse is moving:
humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime

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@Savato
I never intended to start an argument, and hope I haven't done anything as such.

As this is a grey area with limited information, I think the only logical decision is to allow the controlling player (you) to decide the exact statistics of these weaponry. I would ask that you decide what the projectile speed of plasma weaponry is, at which point we would have a consistent basis for situations like this.

Plasma weapons, at least in the game, have no increase to accuracy. The only things I can think of are that laser and plasma weapons are longer range in the rifle weapon type (but nowhere else) and that plasma snipers have a higher crit chance.

Personally, it seems unlikely to me that the Mutons would have been able to pull off the shot. Average human reaction time is 270 milliseconds. That's for a simply click on the screen, ignoring aim. Mutons most likely have massively superior reflexes and perception, but hitting Doomsday at sonic speeds is like trying to shoot a bullet out of the air. They would need to compensate for speed and drop on the aim in 5/100ths of a second.

If you want, I can edit my post. I'll leave the decision up to you.

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@Dreaming
Plasma consists of an ionised gas. In this particular case, a superheated ionised gas. As it is a form of matter, it's speed is dependent upon the forward force applied to it. There is no 'speed of plasma', as it can hypothetically move at any speed. Plasma could be launched at the speed of sound, or at the speed of a turtle.

Furthermore, your link refers to waves occurring within plasma, not to the movement of actual plasma.

As plasma can move at any speed, and the only reference for it's speed is the game, the only logical assumption is that it moves at a speed approximate to what is seen in the game.

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Sorry for my nerdiness, BTW.

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@Savato
Based on the Xcom game, which I have played the shit out of, Plasma weaponry doesn't even go at 1/10ths of the speed of sound. Unlike with bullets, you can actually see them move across the screen. Because it's destructive speed comes from heat rather than kinetic energy, speed is no longer a necessity. Furthermore, have you ever tried accelerating a ball of superheated gas?

To the human mind, a bullet moving towards you from less than 50 meters is instant. It's literally impossible to perceive it. The ethereal and mutons would need massively superhuman senses just to be able to realize Apocalypse had moved, let alone react to it. To be able to aim and pull the trigger in 50 milliseconds is immensely superhuman.

Unless you're referring to bullet time, which is bullshit and makes no sense.