Vilageidiotx

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Ah, cool, guess I'll not implement Monothelitism, then.

@Letter Bee

By all means, we can't really be late antiquity Romans of any kind if we aren't bickering about the nature of Christ.

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We're alt historying this shit, so it'll probably be a different guy.

Still, read up on Heraclius. The info will definitely be relevant in some way, and its fun to read besides.

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Byzies were more sophisticated than Classical Rome in many respects, and losing most of their territory to the Islamic Conquests actually helped in that, to the point where the Byzies had 1700s Political institutions in the 1000s.

Also, this might help outline my potential policies.

So does this.

@Letter Bee

Yeh, but that period in their history is five hundred years away at the time the RP takes place. At this point, the Romans are still a latin-speaking direct continuation of the ancient civilization. We are sort of in the transitory period between the Rome of Augustus and the Byzantium of the High Middle Ages.

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Just a note about Roman organization for anybody wanting to take up the Empires.

These are not necessarily two separate Empires, though they kind of are? It is difficult to express. Emperor Augustus claimed legitimacy through his adoption by Caesar (Caesar wasn't an Emperor btw, or at least not to traditional reckoning which places Augustus as the first Emperor). Augustus than took the name "Augustus" (He had been Octavian before) and reorganized the government so that he had clear and indisputable control, since all of the provinces with military postings were under his control. He didn't come out and say "I am Emperor now", but rather started calling himself first citizen. Following a tradition unwittingly started by Caesar, Augustus would give the title of "Caesar" to his chosen heir. Augustus eventually gives the title of Caesar to his son-in-law Tiberius, who becomes Augustus when Augustus dies and gives the title of Caesar to his nephew Caligula, who passes it to his uncle Claudius, who passes it to his son-in-law Nero. Even after coups and civil wars, this tradition continues.

And this started a trend. The Emperor adopts the name "Augustus" and gives the name "Caesar" to his heir. When (or if) that heir comes to power, they adopt the title of Augustus and give the name "Caesar" to the new heir. Since the Imperial title wasn't hereditary, the name Caesar could be given to whoever the Emperor chose. Sometimes this was a son , sometimes it was a relative, and sometimes it was a colleague.

By the fourth century, Rome was sort of a has-been city. The capital was initially moved to Milan, and eventually Constantinople, since the east was where most of the action and the money was. Despite this move, the Empire split into two pieces several times where there would be two Augustus's and two Caesars, in which case the Western Augustus would settle in Milan. Eventually, they moved to Ravenna, which is where the Western Capital was located when the Western Empire fell.

In this scenario, I figured I'd orient it where there is just one Empire being ruled by the Emperor and his heir. The other three sections, the "Dioceses" represent the larger political regions of the Empire and would be subject to the Emperor. The Emperor, or "Augustus", rules from Constantinople. Caesar, the heir, rules from Italy.

Now, if it were me as Caesar the west, I would move the capital to Venice. The Western Empire fell before Venice was anything more than a few refugees in a marsh, but the location would be excellent in terms of defense. It is impossible to attack without a navy, it is located near the north where threats to Italy would be coming from, and it can be supplied from the sea.

TL;DR: Augustus is supreme, Caesar is his heir. The Western part of the Empire is second to the East. The West should probably move its capital to Venice.

Also, I am planning on taking up the "Diocese Oriens" if anybody is wondering.

@AYoungWarthog I would be willing to help with the OOC. Maybe give some overviews of some basic details about the historical factions.

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Woops, I slipped.

Poor wittle ol' me lost the game.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Someone should make a 'Post fggt' wallpaper.

@Chapatrap

Here you go, in full 1920x1080

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This is now in my rotation.

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Her is a map you could use for a Late Antiquity RP.



I mostly decided to include people who would be important to the politics of the Romans, Persians, or Arabs. Most of what is blacked out is tribal land too far from the area of the RP. I'm assuming the Ostrogoths would have disappeared/been swallowed by the other groups, and that the Vandals would have been kicked out since Africa is the breadbasket of Italy, and since it was taken out by the Byzantines in the real world 6th century anyway. I mashed a few Dioceses together so the Roman Empire isn't too divided. An Emperor in Constantinople and a Co-Emperor in Rome fits with late-Roman tradition.

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I wanna know, have you ever seen the rain? Coming down on a sunny day.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

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