Willy Vereb

When Worlds Collide #2 - Xalku (Mikellh Dejax) vs Star Federation (Willy Vereb)

"If they’re mortal, they must have mortal weaknesses. They’ll be stopped, somehow."
— War of the Worlds

Welcome, arena-goers! This is an old new game called When Nations Collide. Basically it's a wargame RP where two players and their chosen nations duke it out. As such the conditions are quite different from the usual arena match. Few people may remember my previous attempt at this game. And while that one didn't work out due to both of our busy schedules the idea remained.
So without much further ado allow me to introduce our combatants

The Congregation and The Builder (Mikellh Dejax)

A technomagical race of ascended beings seeking perfection and the knowledge of the universe. They exist as a single gestalt consciousness free from emotions with the only exception being the Builder.
@Mikellh Dejax
Link: roleplayerguild.com/posts/2352046

VERSUS

Star Federation of Mankind (Willy Vereb)

The Federation is an alliance of all human nations within the Solar System and beyond. The Federation is extremely advanced and believe there's nothing they cannot solve with technology.
Link: roleplayerguild.com/posts/3419300

Backstory

TBA

Conditions

This is a wargame RP. The circumstances of the war and the size of the forces are all discussed within the OOC. Because of the nature of this game T1 rules do not apply here. Conditions can be discussed before the IC starts. Also since the game is still in the testing phase there's no need for a judge yet. It might change in the future.

New Dawn Rising

@Isotope Got no problem with it, go right ahead.

@Willy Vereb The redevelopment of civilization was quite different, but if no one minds, I can simply add on the fact that the Age of Darkness and the restoration conflict were part of the new calendar, leaving us close to the 1950's RC.

@Sigma

Nah, as Isotope said:

I'd rather leave it as is, given we already have IC posts that reference it.

@Isotope

BTW, since we are at dates.
Any suggestions for the Great War?
I thought it could've happened during the 1500s or so and concluded before 1510 (perhaps even way before it).

When Nations Collide - For all your battling needs!

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I see, also can I just not use the planet cracking ability the Congregation has and keep everything else?

@Mikellh Dejax

That's kina the plan.
You are assume to be per with the Federation in power and no planet cracking to keep the game less out of control.
Are you in, then?
I shall make the thread in a few hours.

When Nations Collide - For all your battling needs!

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I'll have to read up on your own sheet first, I'll edit this post once I finish reading at least your tech overview.

EDIT: I read it, and they seem like good opponents, I feel like they are much more expansive than the Congregation.

Although, if you remember the Congregation was from a sci-fantasy RP, so it uses magic and psionics, is that alright?

@Mikellh Dejax

It originates from a sci-fi fantasy setting. They also have technobabble to cope with magical BS to some degree.
Think of how Star Trek manages to handle "gods".

New Dawn Rising

Sorry, I'm just such a mess for pointing out that you call everything you even remotely disagree with illogical and proceed to dismiss and mock every criticism of yourself or your ideas.

@Isotope

You need to work on this. Your response seem to be an imitation of my last sentence without the rest supporting it which completely blunts the effect.
Then again, I was tired and certainly acted out of line so for that I apologize.

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1st part, it does matter. Absolutely does. It is exactly this and its been repeated many times, civilization ended in the 23rd century of man. At that time is when things restarted at 0. We are in a new 1500's. Pretty easy to follow.

2nd, if you meant to say "my stuff is among the best" why not just say it rather than do what's pretty much power playing by saying mines best.

My ice sword of Kroc is stronger than everyone else's wwords! My chain mail is best made and strongest. My magic is stronger than all.

Its the same as saying my industry is best. Its power playing. If your intent was not to say mine was best, then just don't say it.

You're not on a high horse, quit acting like it.

@Monkeypants

Yeah, I suppose English is not your first language? We barely talked aside from RP topics so pardon me for making assumptions.
As others said your concern is wholly unnecessary if you can read between the lines.
Why not I wrote it like that? Well, have you ever heard of freedom of expression?
If this is your critique then there are so much more to pick on in everybody' profiles.

Also you flip-flop on the date. First you say that since the Catastrophe happened thousands of years ago the current date must be way more than just the 1900s. Now after hearing Isotope's response you turn it around and pretend you were implying an 1500s date. It seems you only make it an argument in order to slam me. Stop it.
Control your salt for the sake of all players.

Anyhoo, apart from working out plot-stuff with individuals, I'm gonna not wade any further into this, because it's looking dangerously close to playground squabbling and, the way this is going, I can't see this de-escalating, so I'd recommend you all step back and wait for Sigma too. GM is god and I'm sure we all agree that he gets the final say.

@Jig

Don't worry I don't intend to pick fight with people here, either. That and since I went to sleep right after my previous post it does seem to have sorted out.

Willy, I placed that dating system for simplicity's sake, helping players sort themselves out when making their history. Now let's be reasonable and not let this issue rear it's ugly head again.

@Sigma

I am fine with the 1500s date if that's what you decided on.
I just found a dating system which accidentally the same span as in the previous world could've helped people to simply copy-paste events better.
When was the "middle ages" in this RC time? When was gunpowder invented?
Things are more convenient if it accidentally reflect the previous timeline. History repeats itself and so on.
But again, I don't mind if you pick RC1520 as the starting date. I only need to switch out a few lines in my NS at worst.

@Willy Vereb @Brink_
I'm looking to have lost a chunk of territory to either of you during the Great War, so that Jodesia can have a great sense of loss and glory days to harken back to. I'm basically going to suggest that I got myself involved in something I wasn't prepared to deal with, and the result was an embarrassing treaty in which I was forced to hand over either a Western territory to the Hungarian League or a Southern Territory to Franco-Iberia. Either of you want in? (Obviously the current map will reflect territories as they are; we're just talking history here)
And the Great War was a couple of decades ago, ie: 1500-1510ish by the restoration calendar, right?

Probably only want one of you to have pinched my land, just so I don't have to bear a grudge against both of you :P

@Jig

I don't think I made any but minor territorial claims on your expense unless it was some territories in Africa. Then again Franco-Iberia benefited the most. Though it depends on him. I personally intended that the nation in the center lost Italy among perhaps other territorial concessions.
@Brink_

I need to get myself in on this overseas war stuff. Can't be an isolationist.

@Monkeypants

Given how many European nations are affiliated with you to some degree I say you'd already have a role in it.
Expect you and your allies to be one of the power blocks.
Which begs the question: Where should we draw the other one?
I am fine with being in somewhat hostile relations with you if you want but for that I need a similar alliance system to complement it.

I have yet to read up the IC so I don't know if you guys already cooked up something. If yes, then I will adopt accordingly.

New Dawn Rising

No, that was what Sigma set before I touched the OP.

And there is nothing objectively better with any date, it's just numbers. Beyond that, I'm beginning to tire of your continual need for things to be just the way you prefer them. Sigma said no WMD's on the OOC, you then you barge in and instead of just accepting it demand all sorts of nonsense explanations that are scarcely better than leaving it unsaid, and in my opinion are simply ridiculous. A magic kill sat that just sees all nukes all the time? What? Then when I or Monkey question you we're obviously being unreasonable and antagonistic for not accepting your every whim.

I'm not the GM, I don't have the authority to tell you to do anything, but I've decided to just say it here anyway.

@Isotope

???
Do you read what I post with half eye? Do you just skim over them?
Because what you accuse me with does not make much sense at all. So I am controlling the game for making a suggestion which practically every player accepted then (although then we apparently stepped back and decided not to without explicitly mentioning here). I am being ridiculous for suggesting there's a sufficiently advanced satellite network looking out for WMDs instead of just making up a poor explanation that nukes are impossible to make even though the knowledge how is kind of the basis of many advanced sciences which we're obviously using.

Pardon me if my wording is a bit sharp but your critique is quite a miss and not so much warranted.
I am deeply sorry for holding a discussion with people and actually wording my opinion. Perhaps I should remain mute and just do everything you say.

New Dawn Rising

Willy, the date is 1520 RC.

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@Isotope

Why?
Why is it better to use some arbitrary date which people can make only little connection with?
I don't argue with Sigma but since this is your addition I indeed want to question if there's any good reason why we can't just use an 1950s date for convenience.

New Dawn Rising

It has been a millennium since mankind fell upon the fires of judgment, and precious little remains of the world that was. We know it as The Great Cataclysm, an enigmatic disaster that tore continents asunder and erased all we had accomplished. Many tell interpretations of the event, and precious few clues have been gleaned from the scattered remnants of the old world, but in the face of time it seems the knowledge of what led to the terrible reckoning of our past is all but lost.

Quote from op.

More than a couple decades have passed...

@Monkeypants

So?
Civilization was made way before 0CE/AD. Doesn't mean we start from there.
195X date exist just for our convenience. It's better than making up some fancy number. Makes things much easier to track.

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Absolutely doesn't help. I've heard it all before and its just frustrating.

@Monkeypants

Then you must learn self-control. If your only reason to respond like this to spread negativity, then don't.
Simple as that.

New Dawn Rising

One or two decades works super-duper well. I'd've accommodated for longer ago, but, actually, if we can say for certain that it's one or two decades, that's absolutely ideal.

How belligerent would the Western territories of the Hungarian Federation have been: would they themselves have been aggressive, or been the victims of any aggression of mine?

@Jig

Up to you.
I did say that the League's strength was tested during the Great War so that means perhaps they were on the defensive at first.
I also assumed (though not wrote down) that the Italian and Swiss territories once belonged to whoever the nation in the center was, now taken by Franco-Iberia.

New Dawn Rising

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When exactly was the Great War (in terms of X years ago)? I'll work something out because my history is still in flux, but I'd definitely like to get involved in it - just need to know when it is.

@Jig

I don't like fix dates when the storyline of the past is as malleable as it currently is.
That's why I said it happened one or two decades ago. Imagine something akin to WW2 but with different factions. I let you imagine up whatever details you wish to spice it up with.