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Entirely possible, but one could just as easily make an argument that having a strong ally in the east strengthens Russia's position significantly against the western European powers.

Which way would they go? Hard to say. That's what the IC is for, after all ^-^
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@Wernher, @Eldritch Puppy, would you two like to be my Co-GMs? You two seem like smart and level-headed people...
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Entirely possible, but one could just as easily make an argument that having a strong ally in the east strengthens Russia's position significantly against the western European powers.

Which way would they go? Hard to say. That's what the IC is for, after all ^-^


Yes, true, especially with the Egyptians serving as the British bulwark against Russia instead of the Ottomans...

Edit: Anyway, make the edits and I'll accept it. Personal request, though: Be good to the Catholics and be good to the Philippines.
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Hehe, I was wondering when that might come up

Fear not there's a small army of Filipinos in my discord contacts who would probably swim over and murder me if they caught wind of anything like that

That and I don't have the stomach for being anywhere near as logic defyingly evil as the otl Japanese Empire.
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Hehe, I was wondering when that might come up

Fear not there's a small army of Filipinos in my discord contacts who would probably swim over and murder me if they caught wind of anything like that

That and I don't have the stomach for being anywhere near as logic defyingly evil as the otl Japanese Empire.


Good.
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@Letter Bee Sure, I can help you with a second opinion if you'd like to hear mine.

Btw y'all, as there is already a premade deal between Japan and Russia, anyone would like to make some with old-new Austria?
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@Wernher, Thanks!
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@Letter Bee Sure, I could lend a hand with GMing.
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Well since stuff has gotten talked over a lot and some amnesties made, I suppose it's only right for me to issue a few apologies in turn. Sorry for coming off so harshly, I guess i'm just sorta tired of things falling apart before they even begin with RPs.
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Claiming a thicc USA
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Government

Name: United States of America
Flag/Badge: I'm too lazy to edit on the appropriate number of stars so suck it bitches
Head of State: President Clay
Head of Government: President Clay
Ideology: The United States is best characterized by nationalist liberalism, wherein typically reactionary values are syncretized with liberal ones like value of the individual and his freedom and the right of all men to vote.

Military
Loosely based on alternatewars.com/BBOW/Stats/US_Mil_M…
Army Numbers: 70,000 men under arms (30,000 additional in irregulars)
Navy Numbers: 20,000 men under arms (including and mostly made up of USMC)
Army Equipment: The United states though bearing a comparatively small army when accounting for population density certainly makes up for this by the ingenuity of its development. Noticing the fact they had hardly any superiority on the mothballed arms of the Mexicans and arguable inferiority to the British-Canadians the United States has begun to use its technological progresto not only modernize their army but to be the one to be pushing the standard of modernity in warfare. The Artillery of the United States is particularly advanced with production in local armouries. The Hall Rifle system has come to be the standard issue rather than simply for elites, to be replaced by the Sharps following further tests and development. As well, the United States is far ahead of other states in weaponry of the future such as the Colt Revolver; based upon this it is creating revolving rifles. Though first models are wrought with issues of reliability newer ones are appearing ever more fit for standard issue to cavalry and marines.
Naval Ship Types: Following the loss of much of its old fleet to Britain and the failure to seize British ships in Canada, the United States fleet is rather small, though many propagandists have used this to describe a "fresh start" wherein all ships will be steamers of the future. Indeed though it has a numeric and doctrinal disadvantage on navies of other powers there is a distinct qualitative advantage of the vessels.

History, Expansion, and Economics

History: The Point of Divergence is 1841 with the second presidency of Martin van Buren
With the election of Martin van Buren, the United States was free of the bleeding heart nonsense of the Whigs, the Democrat stranglehold tightened for the foreseeable future. However the vote was not won by appealing to moderates, rather by playing further to his base. A promise to undo the failings of his presidency, namely the eventual induction of Texas into the Union.

However, as he became President his first act was to focus upon undoing his Northern failures. Mackenzie's Republicans, Papineau's Patriotes, Natives, Fenians and even Mormons seeking to carve themselves a small enclave, all forces for a Canada free of the British (or for the Americans) were rallied, and once more marched North. The conflict was a short but vicious one, where the American navy in effect sacrificed itself in all but entirety to ensure the British would struggle to reinforce the continent. Though ultimately American victory was hard fought and it brought more problems than it solved. The Republic of Canada was made into an unincorporated territory of the United States, and the strains of defending this ensured that van Buren was unable to maintain his promise to annex Texas into the United States of America.

Just as easily as the Democrats had created their hold on the US government, so too they quickly lost it. The Whigs under Clay won the presidency in 1844, and began the process of elimination of slavery through Federal payments for the liberation of slaves to their owners akin to what the British had done. Though still formally legal, the Whigs set into motion bills in an effort to make the practice unprofitable to further encourage slave owners to attempt to get rid of them fast. Unfortunately for the moral goals of the Whigs, many simply sold them off elsewhere for great profit.

By 1846 the refusal of Clay to take Texas into the Union made Senators and Congressmen push to introduce the means to make a vote of no confidence. In a last ditch effort to avoid the matter, a referendum was made across the United States to decide whether or not Texas would be admitted into the Union. An overwhelming success, the matter unsurprisingly prompted Mexico to declare was as promised.

It was a difficult conflict with strong initial gains from the Mexicans as American soldiers had to face difficulties in arranging sustainable deployment that wouldn't put the North at risk. Nevertheless, the United States military was able to narrwoly overcome the Mexican army through its superior armament and command; in and of itself these would not have been able to overcome Mexico, but several lucky strikes of canisters were able to eliminate Mexican generals that collapsed their war effort. Though much of the United States were sated by the taking of Texas and California, the difficulty of the conflict made the public feel that a larger prize was needed giving great strength to the All-Mexico movement. Another referendum was held, and at a far tighter margin than the previous one all of Mexico was declared another unincorporated territory of the United States. However, American troops only maintain order as far South as Durango and Ciudad Victoria; beyond is a great guerilla movement that the Federal army has not yet found the confidence to move against.

Territory: The US has gained control of the vast majority of Canada as an unincorporated territory and Northern Mexico (formally claiming Southern Mexico as well). However its hold on all of its territories is far more strenous than in the past, especially with the risings of the natives, the ever increasing count of Mormons, and the veteran Fenian soldiers without a cause.
Economic Description: The United States is truly capable of autarky with advanced industry compounded by a vast sectors of agriculture, mining and other natural resource extraction. Nevertheless, with the multitude of ports it holds it performs trade for may things, notably luxuries like fur for more southern ones of tropical climes. Further, the impending end of slavery has had many Southerners decide to sell their slaves abroad for a high price rather than the much smaller one that the Federal Government is offering.
Historical Claims: The United States is first and foremost interested in the consolidation of its existing territories. However, once that is finished there are many calls for the ejection of European colonial powers from the New World.
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The relevant edits have been made to Japan's sheet. Some economy stuff. Some territory stuff. Rebellion enabled by people being hungry and angry.
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Alright. You've sold me. I'm throwing my hat into this ring.

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@Andreyich, I love your sheet, and I am inclined to accept it, but one should note that this time, the issue is not plausibility, but rather 'fairness' towards the future British player. Basically, a potential player has quit before because he thought Britain was 'nerfed' by Egypt being so 'strong' (quotation marks intended), and a stronger US with Canada might cause more potential players who want to play Britain to turn away.

@Lady Lascivious, Approved.

@Yam I Am, Accepted; hopefully, a potential British player won't be too turned off by losing the Anglo-Sikh War.

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@Andreyich, I love your sheet, and I am inclined to accept it, but one should note that this time, the issue is not plausibility, but rather 'fairness' towards the future British player. Basically, a potential player has quit before because he thought Britain was 'nerfed' by Egypt being so 'strong' (quotation marks intended), and a stronger US with Canada might cause more potential players who want to play Britain to turn away.

@Lady Lascivious, Approved.

@Yam I Am, Accepted; hopefully, a potential British player won't be too turned off by losing the Anglo-Sikh War.


Okay, what if continental Canada was taken but all the islands (PEI, Labrador, Nova Scotia, Atlantic Nunavut, etc.) remained British? after all I think the loss of Canada hurts a lot less than the loss of India......
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@Yam I Am, Accepted; hopefully, a potential British player won't be too turned off by losing the Anglo-Sikh War.


I intended for the Empire to be in something of a limbo as of 1847 - Given how The Great Game tended to go, there'd be vested interests for both Russia and Britain to have cause for concern for a largely independent state in India that is quickly modernizing. For Britain, it might be a tough pill to swallow, but giving up some territory to the Empire in return for someone at least wiling to play ball with them might be a better bet than try to maintain a tenuous hold onto what they already have. For Russia, having someone who's that big a thorn in the UK's side would definitely be a plus to them, but I don't imagine Russia would be too happy with super huge a counterweight in South Asia, either. In either case, having a powerful Indian substate who owes them a favor or two would be very helpful in diplomacy not just in India, but throughout the Middle East in its entirety.
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Russia just accruing huge swathes of powerful and highly ambitious allies in Asia against the British aren't they?
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<Snipped quote by Letter Bee>

Okay, what if continental Canada was taken but all the islands (PEI, Labrador, Nova Scotia, Atlantic Nunavut, etc.) remained British? after all I think the loss of Canada hurts a lot less than the loss of India......


It normally would, but one must remember that Canada is inhabited by loyal white subjects of the Crown who already made it clear in 1812 they didn't want to be American and that the British probably saw the Canadians as closer to kin than Indians. Then again, I could be projecting present attitudes to the past.
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<Snipped quote by Letter Bee>

I intended for the Empire to be in something of a limbo as of 1847 - Given how The Great Game tended to go, there'd be vested interests for both Russia and Britain to have cause for concern for a largely independent state in India that is quickly modernizing. For Britain, it might be a tough pill to swallow, but giving up some territory to the Empire in return for someone at least wiling to play ball with them might be a better bet than try to maintain a tenuous hold onto what they already have. For Russia, having someone who's that big a thorn in the UK's side would definitely be a plus to them, but I don't imagine Russia would be too happy with super huge a counterweight in South Asia, either. In either case, having a powerful Indian substate who owes them a favor or two would be very helpful in diplomacy not just in India, but throughout the Middle East in its entirety.


Which is true, indeed.
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Tbh what I would have a harder time believing is the US seizing so much of Mexico, when they explicitly chose not to go further south in OTL because of the prevailing racist attitudes of the time. They didn't want more non-whites in the US lmao.

That the US in this has taken control of so much indicates some dark shit is probably going down.

What a cursed fucking timeline we have wrought.
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