[OOC] Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

[Hexagon]

duck55223 said
All of North America has had a pretty fucky history

And that's the point! :D It should prove, I hope, to be a fun challenge to make the best from the mistakes of the past.

TheEvanCat said
Canada's had a pretty fucky history, Hexagon, so you're probably going to have to change a lot of that if you want to play them.

I've read the Canadian and American history, and I -think- I have a good idea as to what happened. From what I read, there isn't any notable details in Canada specifically (Not counting the NWC) from that point in 1976 when Canada, along with Spain, pulled out of the war and declared New England a lost cause. That's why I was hoping to start from that point with the History portion, though if there's something that I missed it shouldn't be too difficult to make the necessary changes. Please do keep me updated, though, if you find any specific inconsistencies! :)

[Maxxorlord]

Well. Its been awhile since I last checked in. I was utterly bombarded with major projects for school, as well as assisting in remodeling a home, and helping someone else move. Life's been a bit hectic, but the worst of it has passed. I'll be out and school and able to post in a week or two.

[Isotope]

Working on a post,getting a bit bogged down atm.

[Vilageidiotx]

Canada passes IMHO. It does open questions that Googer and Aaron would need to find a way to retcon. Specifically why China wasn't involved, and why Spain let this happen. Because of that, I would suggest both Aaron and Googer should also approve before we move forward.

If you want to polish it up, I would suggest making the revolution less convenient. It just sort of seems to work out all the time. I do admit you'll see that in the previous histories, in part because this RP started with looser standards and because we've had to go back and retcon the histories in such a way that they could be accessible while still making sense.

Slaughters are always a good impetus for revolution. The economy tanks, different groups rise out of the divide, the socialists take to the street in Quebec, the army/police/paramilitarists kill a bunch of people. Those in the middle condemn the aggressive right-wing attackers and the government is implicated one way or another. The only other thing you'd need to work out is why Spain isn't involved, but you could work that out with either.

Like I said at the beginning, I don't think this change is absolutely necessary and if it feels to uncomfortable to you than I would understand. What you have now works well enough. And of course, if you do want to update it you wouldn't have to follow the script.

Just remember that, for the most part, revolutions have a tendency to be somewhat ugly. It isn't a rule, but it's a common enough occurrence that we kind of expect it.

[Hexagon]

Hmm, you raise a good point. If Googer and Aaron approve, they could even be involved in the revolution in a way, either directly or indirectly - It's something that can be worked out in any case, and I can make the appropriate edits once the idea is settled.

I'm not sure if I mentioned it, I will go back and look it over, and likely do a few edits, but the main reason for the revolution was a tanking economy and a non-responsive government. The revolution wasn't entirely bloodless (It was in Montréal) as riots broke out in the areas still controlled by the old Government that would have been rather violent, further pushing the revolutionary's cause. I tried to keep it rather mild, mostly because it's Canada, a country that's pretty proud, historically, for a history that is rather lacking in violence overall, with very few wars. As I said though, that is a very good point, and I'll be sure to edit it appropriately.

Currently, I'm thinking over all (although this'll need approval) I'm thinking that in Montréal/Québec, the revolution was more focused on stopping the job loss/starvation/etc that was becoming prevalent. Although, with support of the big corporate backers (and likely Spain), the Government makes a large, violent, crackdown in places they still control to try and retain power. This of course only feeds the fire of the revolution (with possible support from China) who, with popular support from the masses, win out. For now I'll omit mentioning the two other countries in the post, but even without there's reason enough for this to still work. We'll see how it goes.

In conclusion, thank you for the constructive criticism! It's much appreciated and will no doubt allow me to improve upon what is there. If anyone else has any ideas, please feel free to mention them.

[Hexagon]

Update: The original post was edited, adding more detailed information on Canada at large during 1976, as well as elaborating on the events per province in 1977. Thanks again Vilage! :D

[Chapatrap]

I suppose we now have excuses to reference the well trod ground that is Blame Canada.

[Dinh AaronMk]

I spoke with Gorgen and he doesn't have issue with the thought of Canada going Communist. But his issue with this version his issue is how and why it became Communist.

To quote:
gorgenmast: I honestly would be okay with it if it made any sense
gorgenmast: but the app was basically "we have problems here in canada so we're gommunism now"

I'm sure you could find a different way, keeping in mind that we explain the Canadian militancy with it picking up psuedo-nationalists/psuedo-Fascist sorts from anarchy-period Great Britain. So you would need to work around that and their failures in the war, among other issues if not just that.

[Snow]

Oh, and just because it's something you probably want to keep in mind, Canada houses the British royal family now.

[Hexagon]

Snow said
Oh, and just because it's something you probably want to keep in mind, Canada houses the British royal family now.

Ah, I did not know that. I'll need more specific information, though: Where in Canada are they housed, for example?

As for how Canada became communist, I'll work on that. It'd be incredibly easy if China steps in - The Chinese offer aid in defeating the militant nationalists in exchange for Canada going Communist (And probably another favor). In the mean time, though, I'll work on that detail as soon as I have time. Thanks for bringing it up!

[Dinh AaronMk]

Hexagon said
Ah, I did not know that. I'll need more specific information, though: Where in Canada are they housed, for example?As for how Canada became communist, I'll work on that. It'd be incredibly easy if China steps in - The Chinese offer aid in defeating the militant nationalists in exchange for Canada going Communist (And probably another favor). In the mean time, though, I'll work on that detail as soon as I have time. Thanks for bringing it up!

A thing to note about the Chinese government is that they don't budge easy. For the better part of the about twenty years their program of foreign intervention has only been centered at keeping Western powers out of Asia. The membership of the US and Mexico during the era of the ASB wasn't made on an invite.

Though, now that the ASB has evolved into the Comintern and the US left, there is a hole left open in the North American Bloc of the Third International. Mexico is still around, and would be interested to trying to get leverage against a US in another new era of its politics. Though they're not as powerful as the Chinese and incapable of influencing anyone on their own I would think that maybe they'd try to assist. Perhaps in partnership with the US Socialist/Communist parties in tipping the balance in Canada.

The Chinese intelligence agency - the IB - would without a doubt need to provide assistance. But it wouldn't be as direct as shooting resources off to Canada or sending their agents directly. I'd see it more as the Mexican Intel community appealing to another for help in a sort of lite version of Operation Ajax.

[Wilted Rose]

First post, hopefully my quality will improve as more time becomes available and I learn a bit more.

[Dinh AaronMk]

I'mma have to get on one shortly.

[TheEvanCat]

I, like always, have a bunker full of unfinished posts. But having infrastructure meetings are so boring.

[Vilageidiotx]

A 5k post, short story length, just discussing highways and bridges and automated goatpaths.

It is the post Precipice deserves.

[Wilted Rose]

Automated goat paths. All I can see now are goats being transported across countries via conveyor belt.

Goat simulator taught me that isn't good for thou enemies.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Goats are the ultimate physics weapon.

[TheEvanCat]

Armenia has pioneered advanced goat technology. Unmanned goats are now in the arsenal surgically bombing Turks hiding in the mountains.

[Dinh AaronMk]

In action:

[Vilageidiotx]

I really fucking need to get that game.