[OOC] Civilization Roleplay: Rise of Races (The Tribes of Nova Mondial Want You!)

[Joegreenbeen]

I say we should just keep going at the way we have been, it seems like it would just complicate things to add a system now.

[Raindeer]

@Nerevarine
Out of curiosity, how many of your troops are heading towards the locations? Numbers would be good to have.

[Nerevarine]

Its a small raiding party, about 10 in each

[Father Dagon]

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Even then I have doubts in it going to make things work better for those of us that interact a lot. At least now in the beginning. I would have to write posts the size of a smaller book to get everything I want said/done within that timespan, which is something I extremely rarely have the time for.

I feel like it may also discourage interactions because of that pressure to further your race to not get left behind in the dust like a tribe in the rainforests of earth shooting arrows at planes as they fly by.

@Raindeer

I would suggest not insulting the glorious archery corps of the Night-Walker army. You underestimate our jet-shooting capabilities!

[Veoline]

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Even then I have doubts in it going to make things work better for those of us that interact a lot. At least now in the beginning. I would have to write posts the size of a smaller book to get everything I want said/done within that timespan, which is something I extremely rarely have the time for.

I feel like it may also discourage interactions because of that pressure to further your race to not get left behind in the dust like a tribe in the rainforests of earth shooting arrows at planes as they fly by.

@Raindeer

I think that we'd see to it that no player develops unrealistically fast. I don't think the posting rhythm should really change. 10,000 years have elapsed since the invention of agriculture, after all. I'm not suggesting we fill in 1,000 pages, of course, but the point of the system would be, among other things, to allow our societies to evolve at a historically plausible pace.

[Raindeer]

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I think that we'd see to it that no player develops unrealistically fast. I don't think the posting rhythm should really change. 10,000 years have elapsed since the invention of agriculture, after all. I'm not suggesting we fill in 1,000 pages, of course, but the point of the system would be, among other things, to allow our societies to evolve at a historically plausible pace.

@Veoline

It is not so much the case of a player developing fast. It's the case of some being left behind and developing slower because of the interactions. For an example we currently have people with bronze weapons and leather armor while some of us are yet to figure out how to shape wood into a suitable protection of some sort.

The rhythm have worked out somewhat well so far, even if I myself feel extremely rushed to get interactions done already. My own opinion is that the system would most probably make that problem even worse.

[Veoline]

It is not so much the case of a player developing fast. It's the case of some being left behind and developing slower because of the interactions. For an example we currently have people with bronze weapons and leather armor while some of us are yet to figure out how to shape wood into a suitable protection of some sort.

The rhythm have worked out somewhat well so far, even if I myself feel extremely rushed to get interactions done already. My own opinion is that the system would most probably make that problem even worse.

@Raindeer

I don't really see how it would make things worse. Players won't post more or less than before, so their pace of advancement (each race has a different evolution; military technology isn't the only path forwards) shouldn't change much from what it is right now. That's what I would think, but I might be wrong.

Besides, when we reach the "modern" age (that is when all races are in contact with most others and have relatively advanced i.e. Renaissance Europe technology) we'll need a precise time system, so why not implement it right from the onset?

[Raindeer]

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I don't really see how it would make things worse. Players won't post more or less than before, so their pace of advancement (each race has a different evolution; military technology isn't the only path forwards) shouldn't change much from what it is right now. That's what I would think, but I might be wrong.

Besides, when we reach the "modern" age (that is when all races are in contact with most others and have relatively advanced i.e. Renaissance Europe technology) we'll need a precise time system, so why not implement it right from the onset?

@Veoline

Because none of the races have invented a precise time system and shared it with the other races, which is how I'd expect it to work in the first place.

As for the development, I have shared my thoughts on it, I feel like it could cause more harm than it would help, at least in this stage of it.

[Meiyuuhi]

Thank you all for shutting down Veoline better than I ever could have done myself.

[Neruu]

Sorry for such a long time between my posts. It was just one thing after the other kept popping up delaying me from posting. Hopefully won't happen again. Every time I'd go to work on post something would come up but should be good now.

[Raindeer]

Thank you all for shutting down Veoline better than I ever could have done myself.

@Mihndar

Always at your service, comrade.

[Veoline]

Because none of the races have invented a precise time system and shared it with the other races, which is how I'd expect it to work in the first place.

@Raindeer

I actually don't understand what you mean by that. The page-based time system would be for our use only, and would be independent from the various calendars devised by each individual race.

[Raindeer]

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I actually don't understand what you mean by that. The page-based time system would be for our use only, and would be independent from the various calendars devised by each individual race.

@Veoline

That may have been a misunderstanding from my side, but my previous points stand.

As for your point about that military technology is not everything...
You are partially right, but I would also argue that you may be wrong.
Yes, it is not everything, but a race falling behind would do so in every aspect, military was just an example.
And military technology is extremely important when there are some people doing raids left and right.

[Joegreenbeen]

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And military technology is extremely important when there are some people doing raids left and right.

@Raindeer

*Cough* Nerevarine *Cough*

[Father Dagon]

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I actually don't understand what you mean by that. The page-based time system would be for our use only, and would be independent from the various calendars devised by each individual race.

@Veoline

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That may have been a misunderstanding from my side, but my previous points stand.

As for your point about that military technology is not everything...
You are partially right, but I would also argue that you may be wrong.
Yes, it is not everything, but a race falling behind would do so in every aspect, military was just an example.
And military technology is extremely important when there are some people doing raids left and right.

@Raindeer

I tend to agree with Veoline that some kind of system would be nice. Maybe it has to do with my planning problems, but I'm not exactly sure how much time should pass with each post. I feel like some kind of unified time-keeping system (out of character, of course), no matter how simple it is, could help. Just my opinion, I'm not an expert roleplayer.

[Raindeer]

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I tend to agree with Veoline that some kind of system would be nice. Maybe it has to do with my planning problems, but I'm not exactly sure how much time should pass with each post. I feel like some kind of unified time-keeping system (out of character, of course), no matter how simple it is, could help. Just my opinion, I'm not an expert roleplayer.

@Father Dagon

A sort of system would absolutely be useful, but if I am not mistaken Mihndar did mention some sort of guideline of a year for each post or something along those lines, don't quote me on that.

[Meiyuuhi]

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A sort of system would absolutely be useful, but if I am not mistaken Mihndar did mention some sort of guideline of a year for each post or something along those lines, don't quote me on that.

@Raindeer

I said think roughly two years a post, but don't hold yourself to it.

[Father Dagon]

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I said think roughly two years a post, but don't hold yourself to it.

@Mihndar

Do you know where you mentioned it? I was checking on the first pages of the three forums (rule-posts and such), but couldn't find anything on the matter.

[Raindeer]

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I said think roughly two years a post, but don't hold yourself to it.

@Mihndar

I think that is a pretty good system, if you ask me. Two years a post makes things easier to keep track off. Though I feel like I may need to post a longer post next time that fast-forwards me the time I've spent interacting with other players instead of forwarding my race, while remaining within reasonable levels of progress and such. 'Cause looking at how many posts others have done while the Ashen have moved nowhere whatsoever is a bit stressful, to be honest.

[Veoline]

Mihndar's system is good, but I see one problem that might arise: say two races meet in a given year. Then imagine Player 1 posts more frequently than Player 2. When the two races will interact again, the interaction will have a different date in both systems, which is quite awkward, you'll have to admit.

I do think there was a misunderstanding when I explained the page-based system, though. Since advancement is post-based and not IC-time based, it doesn't matter whether you invent spears in 10 years or 10 days, as long as you spread it out over 10 posts.

Also, in the previous Rps, when a project took many posts to be completed, we could go a few posts without describing the advancement, but still taking it into account. In that way, even when you spend the whole post describing an interaction, you can still move your race forward, considering that in the meantime, out of the spotlight, they are continuing to do something.