[OOC] Our Unstable World (Post WW3 RP)

[TheSage]

My Hider

Also fixed up the map. The lighter green are my newer additions.
@OnlyThePieTook a rather tiny slice of your territories bordering mine. It was included in the shape of my prior claim and besides I wanted my nation to be surrounded by the Carphatian mountains. Hope you don't mind.

@TheSageChanged your faction coloring to an even darker red in order to avoid clashes with the Brit coloring.
I may suggest magenta or royal purple to avoid further confusion, though. They're quite Roman/Byzantine colors.

@Willy Vereb

I'd be fine with a darker purple.

[OnlyThePie]

@Willy VerebThe ones you took are fine, they had no real value in my empire.

I have to agree with Willy, the British Empire thing is just a bit ridiculous. Given the story's basis, I can't see how this could have been reasonably accomplished. It's just too big, too powerful, too erratic.

[Willy Vereb]

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I'd be fine with a darker purple.

@TheSage

Good enough?
I also changed my near-invisible dark green to a brighter shade.

@Willy VerebThe ones you took are fine, they had no real value in my empire.

I have to agree with Willy, the British Empire thing is just a bit ridiculous. Given the story's basis, I can't see how this could have been reasonably accomplished. It's just too big, too powerful, too erratic.

@OnlyThePie

I have no problem with the size if the GM doesn't.
Big nation, big responsibility.
My only issue is that the colonies Britain had were shaped by the politics and balance of powers at the time. This won't be the same now.
I can understand Canada, India, Australia and a few others but the rest aren't something Britain would surely approach now.
Also just like the British Empire I think these territories will be divided into countries on their own which are lead by the British rather than directly controlled.

[LordZell]

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Good enough?
I also changed my near-invisible dark green to a brighter shade.

<Snipped quote by OnlyThePie>I have no problem with the size if the GM doesn't.
Big nation, big responsibility.
My only issue is that the colonies Britain had were shaped by the politics and balance of powers at the time. This won't be the same now.
I can understand Canada, India, Australia and a few others but the rest aren't something Britain would surely approach now.
Also just like the British Empire I think these territories will be divided into countries on their own which are lead by the British rather than directly controlled. But like India and Africa I doubt would want anything to do with imperialism again.

@Willy Vereb

The only real nations I could see joining with england would be canada and australia aside from their numerous small islands.

[null123]

If your so interested in poking holes in my idea, let me do the same to yours.

@LordZell The US is been getting increasingly left-leaning in recent years. The idea that a fascist party could take over and overthrow the US democracy is extremely unlikely. The only reasonable scenario for the US to become fascist would have been in the 1920s amdist the great depression.

@OnlyThePie The idea that a country unstable as Belarus could take on Poland, which as a fellow NRPer has pointed out me before, has been seeing economic growth and modernization of its military as well as fucking Russia is also impossible.

@Willy Vereb Again, this come to a issue of the people just kneeling as the democracy that they have had(and fought for, remember the Iron Curtain?) would just sit by and let a monarchy take over? Plus why would the nations in that area not band together to stop the Hungarian invasions, or NATO as well as the other European powers.

If this is a concern of balance, I will reduce my claims. But at least with the Commonwealth there is some basis for a restored British Empire, everything else here is so far out in left field it's unbelievable.

[Willy Vereb]

Nobody thought about writing on the national relations yet? Then I should.

Neo Byzantines: They have friendly relations and Hungary used to support them. Albeit after its reforms and consolidation process they are more cautious and distant with Bxzantine. Partially also because many Turks fled to Hungary.

Byelorusian Empire: Hungary is very cautious with them and willing to step up to limit its aggressions. They beleive the only reason Byeloruss didn't declare war with them because they are occuppied with their other neighbors.

Russia: Had amicable relations with them long before the war and remained neutral when EU and Russia fought in WW3. Nowadays they give aid for the Russians to rebuild and some suspect they might be even offering military hardware.

Finnland: While the Finnish-Hungarian ancestry got debunked their relations are good as always.

Iranian Republic: Modtly positive relations in spite of the difference in ideologies.ü

British: Either friendly or competitive. Can't say much else for now.

Patriots: Their nationalist politics are welcome but some of their other decisions put them in questionable status. Their physical distance means Hungary rarely deals with them.

Another note is that Hungary often organizes aid for the poorer nations and active in peacekeeping missions. All four of their Carrier Groups are in international seas.

[Willy Vereb]

If your so interested in poking holes in my idea, let me do the same to yours.

@LordZell The US is been getting increasingly left-leaning in recent years. The idea that a fascist party could take over and overthrow the US democracy is extremely unlikely. The only reasonable scenario for the US to become fascist would have been in the 1920s amdist the great depression.

@OnlyThePie The idea that a country unstable as Belarus could take on Poland, which as a fellow NRPer has pointed out me before, has been seeing economic growth and modernization of its military as well as fucking Russia is also impossible.

@Willy Vereb Again, this come to a issue of the people just kneeling as the democracy that they have had(and fought for, remember the Iron Curtain?) would just sit by and let a monarchy take over? Plus why would the nations in that area not band together to stop the Hungarian invasions, or NATO as well as the other European powers.

If this is a concern of balance, I will reduce my claims. But at least with the Commonwealth there is some basis for a restored British Empire, everything else here is so far out in left field it's unbelievable.

@duck55223

Alright that's nice that you had your say and now I plead everyone to stop. The GM explicitly forbade arguments like this from happening.

[null123]

Going to go ahead and remove Germany from my claims.

Edit:Actually, drop entirely IRL shit came up.

[Willy Vereb]

Going to go ahead and remove Germany from my claims.

Edit:Actually, drop entirely IRL shit came up.

@duck55223

That's a pity. I already had several fun RP interaction ideas with the British.
Having Germany involved one of those but generally your nation could have been the motive force behind many plots for this game.
But oh well...

[OnlyThePie]

Sad that you have to go, even though we disagreed. You made good point, but the reason Byelorussia could do so well was it wasn't particularly involved in WW3, while Russia and Poland were, so it had an advantage.
I'll do international relations too:

Neo Byzantines: Stable allies due to the shared glory of the Orthodox Religion, and approving of the combat methods used by Byzantine military. They hope to work together in the future.

Neo Hungaria: Byelorussia notes with concern the great strength of the Hungarians, but for the time being has no quarrel with the nation, despite its heavily dictatorial, possibly corrupt government. The Byelorussians would accept not absorbing their territory, as there is other land to be had elsewhere.

Russia: The Russians hold a burning hatred for the Byelorussians, but Byelorussia is not afraid of their crippled enemy. They still hold dreams of conquering Moscow.

Finland: Tensions are high with the Finns, especially over the Leningrad Oblast border. It is expected a war is coming soon.

Iranian Republic: Appreciative of military capability, but otherwise has no real opinion.

American Patriots: Disapproval of the Facist system in place does not leave the Byelorussians looking well on the new Americans, but distance makes this matter less important.

Germany: The Germans are terrified of Byelorussia, given their weakened state after WWIII. Byelorussia has intentions to capture their land eventually.

[Willy Vereb]

Neo Hungaria: Byelorussia notes with concern the great strength of the Hungarians, but for the time being has no quarrel with the nation, despite its heavily dictatorial, possibly corrupt government. The Byelorussians would accept not absorbing their territory, as there is other land to be had elsewhere.

@OnlyThePie

Funnily enough I plan Hungary to be the "only sane nation" within its immediate area which is why it used to be and perhaps still is a popular place for immigrants.
Overall Hungary would take Germany's place in many aspects albeit its economical dominion wouldn't be so great even if it's overall pretty developed.

[LordZell]

us21.chatzy.com/55608812317135 If you guys wanna chat and have a response faster here's a chatzy we could use.

[null123]

I still might be able to participate, I wont know for sure till a bit here.

[Willy Vereb]

Here's the updated map right now, for people who wish to ad their nations in the future.

[VoiD]

Definitely interested, please reserve Korea for me.

[TheSage]

If your so interested in poking holes in my idea, let me do the same to yours.

@LordZell The US is been getting increasingly left-leaning in recent years. The idea that a fascist party could take over and overthrow the US democracy is extremely unlikely. The only reasonable scenario for the US to become fascist would have been in the 1920s amdist the great depression.

@OnlyThePie The idea that a country unstable as Belarus could take on Poland, which as a fellow NRPer has pointed out me before, has been seeing economic growth and modernization of its military as well as fucking Russia is also impossible.

@Willy Vereb Again, this come to a issue of the people just kneeling as the democracy that they have had(and fought for, remember the Iron Curtain?) would just sit by and let a monarchy take over? Plus why would the nations in that area not band together to stop the Hungarian invasions, or NATO as well as the other European powers.

If this is a concern of balance, I will reduce my claims. But at least with the Commonwealth there is some basis for a restored British Empire, everything else here is so far out in left field it's unbelievable.

@duck55223

If I may give you an Idea I'd say you could still do a commonwealth type state, but just don't take the African and Indian Territories. Keep the British Isles, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and maybe a reclaimed Ireland.

[Willy Vereb]

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If I may give you an Idea I'd say you could still do a commonwealth type state, but just don't take the African and Indian Territories. Keep the British Isles, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and maybe a reclaimed Ireland.

@TheSage

Duck is busy with something he haven't specified yet so he's definitely out of the game. Reflected by my latest edit to the map.
We'll miss him but that's the way things are now.

[Nerevarine]

Neo Byzantines: As if a ghost from the past, a new Byzantine Empire has risen at the same time that Iran has risen to power once again. Knowing the history that these two nations have, Iran remains on high alert with Byzantium, hoping to delay the inevitable war between them as much as possible.

Byelorusian Empire: No significant opinion

Russia: Iran watches Russia for any movement they make in the Central Asia region. However, with Kazakhstan as a buffer, Russia is of little consequence for Iran at the moment. The two have been less than friendly due to the large influx of Islamic terrorist groups fleeing to avoid being sent to death camps in the Hindu Kush mountains created to purge Iran of terror groups in its territories.

Neo Hungaria: Iran looks to Hungary as a potential ally in the Balkan, to help in keeping the Byzantines in check. Iran is working on cultivating amicable relations with Neo-Hungaria.

Patriots: Iran is critical of the Fascist policies of Patriotic America, but due to their distance, they are of little interest, but under watch.

Kazakhstan: Iran exerts great influence in manipulating the Kazakh government into being their unofficial March to keep Russia away from Iranian interests.

Iraq: Iraq is a state in shambles, and has already felt the sting of having territory torn from them by Iran after loosing Kurdistan and Assyria in World War 3. In another call back to history, it could be that Iran will once again take Iraq as Cyrus did Babylon in the dawn of their civilization.

[Willy Vereb]

Anyways, allow me to detail a bit on possible equipment used during this game.
At least what I think should be possible.

Handheld weapons:
- Standard firearms: They do their job just fine even in this time period. Cheap, easy to maintain and excellent for equipping the masses.
- Advanced firearms: They use further refined ammo, propellant and gun mechanisms to keep up with the times. They are cheaper than other alternative but may be also approaching their limits.
- Intelligent firearms: rocket/jet munition which seeks out its target, correct the user's aim and give other thankful additions. They are great but each shot could be quite expensive. If you wish to spend millions of dollars on a simple firefight this is the way to go.
- Electronic Guns: Railguns, coilguns, whatever. The weapons would be costly, around 10 times that of a comparable firearm. Their advantages are velocity, adjustable performance and to carry cheaper and more numerous bullets at comparable weight.
- Lasers: While scaling down X-FELs should be posible and somewhat feasible as anti-personnal weapons the costs would be horrendous. Currently a desk-sized X-FEL costs nearly a million dollars and that's just a research equipment. Besides, DEWs have poor damaging mechanisms so 5-10kj jolts would be kinda unsatisfactory for their cost. Maybe richer countries attempt to use these as "snipers" since there's almost nothing to make these weapons miss. X-Rays may also be used to disable unshielded electronics.

[DudeTheRabbit]

Totally interested.

By the way, what software do you guys use to fill in the map?