Innue

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@Dazsos

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@MelonHead

Agreed. It also gets tricky depending on how the wind magic is accomplished which allows it, even in lower level tiers, to be nearly unbearably strong without falling into the 'this is super draining category'. There just... are methods. >.>

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@ImportantNobody
Wind is very strong.

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@LeeRoyImpressive work on that. I think that is perfect for those wanting to have a good place/explanation/multivers-y thing for areas that aren't combat for their characters.

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I'm generally comfortable with loose tiers rather than trying to create much definition between them because there can still be significant difference between two characters of the same tier that just happen to sit on opposite ends of even just a subsection of the tier.

As for numbers, they have their place. Often they can be overused. Rarely should someone need to bring up specific numbers and calculations in a battle. Primarily, I used it to keep track of specific distances so I can keep a sense of how much time is taken up when addressing movement son the battlefield. There are a few other uses for it, such as when strict comparisons need to be made, but those instances are rare in my books.

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

I tend to lean towards what Melon has said. I would expect a bit more than minor inconvenience damage too in this instance, but I think the case can be stated for it not being lethal and combat still technically able to take place.

Largely, my rationale is based on how quickly this is taking place and at a fairly close range. Even assuming incredible processing speeds, to react to that spell in that timeframe is questionable to me (this is not a level of combat I'm a fan of). However, we will disregard that since it seems to be consistent with the actions in the previous parts of the fight. And while it may not be a complex set of actions for Corban, he still has to complete the OODA loop and each step takes at least a moment.

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@Innue Except Boxer punches generally carry 1200 - 1500 psi, with Mike Tyson carrying 1800 in his pockets.

@LeeRoy

Just saying that these ones were not getting that high of numbers (they weren't professionals). I'm sure that is entirely possible, I'm just stating that equating lifting strength to punches isn't necessarily accurate.

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Can you two agree on a hard amount of time (in seconds) that is in question?

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For psi of someone who could punch 600 pounds of force, I just divide by the size of their fist to get the pounds per inch?

For my strength chart I'd take their best strength quality. For example, if they can deadlift 500 pounds but punch like a wimp they'd still be mid tier 1.

If I go by 400s I could explain any minor discrepancies as the multiverse normal humans are just a tad bit stronger in general. Don't know why I didn't think of this simple solution. The only problem is trying to find how the average strength would tie into the average lifting force. I know it's not true for everyone but I'd like to know what would be balanced rater than making someone really strong and good at punching but the stats I give do not reflect this because I make his pinching unintentional weak towards what he should be.

@ImportantNobody

I'm not certain on the formula. It was measured by a machine. They had a bunch of boxers do theirs and they were hitting for 300-700 ppsi and then comes up this little older man who hits a 2000 ppsi. He admitted he obviously got to create himself a perfect stance for that punch, but he was able to consistently get over double most of the others participating.

And yeah, as long as you aren't expecting everyone to fit into the categories it is probably fine. I just never do any categorization really since there are always exceptions and I just usually find it easier to make the best judgment call I can at the time.

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Based on my intense research (google front page) I have determined that pounds of force in a punch could be similar to deadlift pounds. So for example of the "normal human" tier of my tier list I have:

--- Below 300 (Average)
--- 301 to 600 (Trained)
--- 600 to 900 (Peak)

This all counts as tier 1 with lower, mid, and upper tier separate for further distinction. So for example, a normal person off the street could punch with 300 pounds of force or lift 300 pounds in a dead lift. Does this seem like a valid conclusion? The main problem is that for peak human punches it seems like they could do over 1,000 rather than 900, but I like how the numbers line up this way and can easily adjusted to higher tiers.

Or perhaps I can go by 400s and not 300s to make the peak tier 1 higher level. Lifting 400 pounds is a little harder for the average joe, unfortunately, if I'm thinking correctly.

@ImportantNobody

I just wouldn't try to tie them together that much since a good punch is really using different parts of the body from a lifting force. I also know they aren't really tied together from my karate instructor's instructor who was unlikely able to lift much more than 200lbs but could consistently measure a punch from 1500-2000 ppsi.

EDIT: Do note this is assuming he was able to get a good stance on his target.