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I would also like to say that I don't expect you to just die out right from this attack. Although that would be nice lol. Your characters muscular density has grown as well as his strength so I would assume he could take more than the average beating.
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Auz gets faster as he dies, strength being a requisite to keep him from falling apart at certain velocities. He is speed based above all else. Auz's acceleration and speed are, to me, superior to Xavier's by a vast quantity. Like I said, it's how competitive balance is achieved due to Xavier having the strength/durability advantage. If Xavier can achieve great speed with a foot, Auz can do far more with a full swing.

Also, Auz's death boost counts suicides as well. He died eight total times so far, the most he can possibly sustain against one opponent.

Starting Auz - 100

First death - 125

Second death - 156

Third death - 195

Fourth death - 243

Fifth death - 304

Sixth death - 380

Seventh death - 475

Eighth death - 593

Each number is multiplied by a flat 1.25 after death.
By your own estimates, this puts Auz's striking strength and speed well above Xavier's.

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But, even with all the speed in the world, Auz has pathetic durability and cannot manipulate inertia to build or stop momentum instantly. As such, I fully expect Xavier's initial slash to land, and since Auz is on his last life and far from civilisation, it'll be a mortal wound.

All that leaves is the question of whether or not Xavier can tank a full-powered Auz slash to the neck. If the sword can chop his skull, I don't see why it can't sever his vertebrae for a true decapitation.
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I will say, in my calculations I forgot the final 2 back to back suicides. So now back to math.

Your estimated speed outcome is off by a few numbers. Mine being an exact 581.025. I do my math using a straight .25 equation like in your CS. But at this rate thats a miniscule measurement.

Unfortunately Xaviers acceleration is based off his strength. Which is still higher than yours by 500 points. I used the average black belt strength for this measurement. As you have stated Strength is just a secondary stat.

Now when we compare your speed measurement to your strength measurement you see that your speed relies 24% on your strength. I adjusted your speed in MY calculations to 590 to better suit both sets of equations. Now what we will say, is that 24% is a trained number. Meaning Auz worked to achieve that in even average sword fights.

Your base stat of 412 Strength when 24.5% is taken out is roughly 100.

Now we take Xaviers strength stat of 3000. Xavier focused on a different type of speed than Auz, acceleration vs top speed. So we will say his speed relies 18% on his strength. Bringing his Speed stat to a firm 540. With an increase at the beginning of any focused movement.

So I would say in this one instant, speeds are matched. Yes Auz can move faster, but Xavier can get moving faster. Auz could beat Xavier in a sprint, but Xavier would get off the line first.

End Results: Auz - 590 Spd 2455 Str
Xavier - 540 Spd 3000 Str

The strength difference is where Xaviers superior acceleration comes into play. He has more muscle to move himself harder, faster. But most of the strength is in his arms so it wears thin in long distance.

As for the attack, Xaviers body is filled with the blood that creates his weapons. It moves on its own accord to defend itself when being wounded. There would also be blood covering his neck already because he never closed the throat wound. Also Xavier can call on a small amount of the metal on his chest to defend as well, softening the blow before it can connect with the neck. I wholey expect a partially severed head, but the vertebrae would stand strong. Xavier is a tank first and foremost. I only say a skull blow would do it because Xavier hardly covers his face/head with the metal. So a direct blow would be deadly. But here there is plenty of defense on hand for the neck blow. Earlier in the fight would be a different story.
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There's dynamic strength and static strength, lifting vs. explosive motion. ALL motion is based off of strength. Auz, being a speed beast, has enormous dynamic strength, in other words, acceleration in addition to velocity.

So as I said, the two, if ANYTHING, are evenly matched right about now. Please remember also that I gave your character a power boost during the final equation. Your character sheet does not say that your character is twice as strong as a normal human. According to the original math of an average human your character would fall short by even more.

I will give Auz his slightly superior speed, but throw in Xaviers ability to get moving faster and they will still be able to almost cancel one another out.


Back when you said Auz had a speed value of less than 400, you claimed that he was "slightly superior" to Xavier. Now that it's 590, he's still only slightly superior. You also say that if anything, the characters are "evenly matched". I fail to see how facing an opponent that can endure a sword to the neck, overpower you with raw strength, attack from nearly any angle, and reshape his weapons at will, can be called remotely even with a simple swordsman whose only supposed advantage at this point is speed, which is also being more or less matched.

Note that I've had a solid basis for Auz's speed since the beginning of the thread, that being Bruce Lee (whose specialty was acceleration, not at all sprinting). You set a quantifiable speed stat for Xavier three posts ago.

Auz, right now, is about six times faster than a peak human striker. I can't do anything really at this point about speed, but that's kind of moot too, since the next attack may most likely decide what occurs. I'm insisting that a layer of reinforced blood won't help Xavier against Auz's slash.

Here's how I figure it.



Skip to 6:05. That kick gets clocked in at 136 mph. Since Auz's superhuman strength at his peak power makes his longsword feel as light as a part of his own body, and since the linear speed at the tip of the sword is greater than that at the base, I'll assume that his fastest swing is 136 mph times 5.9.

That's roughly 802 miles per hour, enough to supersede the sound barrier.

You say Xavier's blood can equal metal in durability. Large caliber bullets can blow holes in plate metal. Now replace that bullet. Make it a sword with the mass of a human body behind it. I wouldn't be surprised if Auz could outright cleave Xavier in two at the waist.

Xavier's bones are tough as shit, I know. There's more bone in his head than the neck, by far, and the vertebrae are segmented so it's easier to separate them. I'm thinking that if I aimed for his head, it'd be pathetically simple for you to duck the slash or let it glance off the forehead plate, especially when you claim Xavier is almost as fast as Auz.

We could probably debate over who is faster all week, but both of our character's hits are in the process of landing. I'm arguing that Auz's is far, far more lethal than you give it credit for. I'm willing to let your speed calculations stand, regardless of credibility or my opinions about my own character.
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What I have been doing, is giving you the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Auzs speed. Regardless of the end numbers, I have been seceeding that Auz is slightly faster. Any stat that o threw down was in comparison to yours and the equations I was using. When those changed, so did the others. Right now that puts them at an almost undeniably equal point. With Auz being faster but Xavier being stronger. All I'm doing is using that strength to my advantage.

Also, Xavier has only the one life in comparison to Auzs 8. So everything he has and everything he does is just to stay alive in a fight. You knew what you were getting into and chose a character that can be on par with him at his strongest.

As far as strength, Xavier has always been superior to Auz even in his current state.

That being said, the sword attack at the end would be defended by much more than a "layer" of metal. It would focus at the impact zone in a bulb to force the blade to cut through it before hitting Xavier. Ontop of the metallic sheet that I plan yo have spring from his right pectoral.

My metal has always been special in that I can put several charges of defense into it to draw on an incredible defense at whim.

I have never argued how you defended or even initiated your attack. You'll remember that my problem was in you writing as though there was no other option. And I came here to put our power levels into perspective. To let you know that while an effective strategy, theres always a chance for it to fail or lose effectiveness.
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Xavier only has one life, but he's tough enough to get stabbed multiple times, including through the neck, and still be in fighting shape. He can be slightly stronger, Auz can be slightly faster. Xavier, however, also has the versatility of homing, armor piercing instant whipswords.

But now Auz is at his best, and so I'm assuming both can kill each other with comparable ease. Now then... The bulb will just make the sword glance up or down after it /blasts/ through his rising chest sheet, thus still cutting his head off, more or less.

I know what I got into, and I'm telling you now, at his current power no cheap defenses summoned on a "whim" will stop Auz's attack.



That's an anti-material rifle. You can guess how big the bullets are. Do they have the weight of a longsword held by a 150 pound superhuman in full armor? Not even remotely close.

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Just did some calculations. A .50 BMG round carries 14000 ft.lbf of energy.

Auz's sword alone, weighing 3 pounds and traveling at 1173 fps has more than 64000 ft.lbf.
That's likely a mere fraction when you add the weight from Auz himself.

It's an absolutely ridiculous amount of force.
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Your mistake is in thinking its a "cheap defense". I have covered his chest with so much metal and caked so much blood to his neck that enough is there for a more than significant defense. But I am more than ready to show you exactly what you aren't paying attention to.

As for the rifle, it has no precedence here. All that power is directed to a pinpoint impact zone before mushrooming outwards. Whereas your sword has its impact point spread wider than a bullet. Leaving more area to catch. But you will see this soon enough.

So what I am going to do is work up a post with my intricately cheap defense. From there you can choose to take it for what it is or we can continue this debate.
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And I say again - the .50 has its power pinpointed whereas you do not. And honestly, that FPS stat is kind of pulled out of thin air.

Take away the cutting power and all you have left is that force.
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Scratch that last part..... For I have an entirely new plan.

You shall see.
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I'm paying plenty of attention. Just check this out;

A metallic *clang* echoing as the metal of his blade collided with that on his chest. A small portion of blood began being added to the metal on his chest, in efforts to slowly increase its thickness.


Your mistake is in thinking its a "cheap defense". I have covered his chest with so much metal and caked so much blood to his neck that enough is there for a more than significant defense.


The initial metal on Xavier's chest had come from a small cut. So no, not a lot to make a sheet from unless he sacrifices the blood he'd use to make a neck bulb.

What's more, the force is concentrated along a sharp edge. It won't mushroom and make a hole like a jacketed lead bullet. Steel is harder than lead by far. It'll scythe through whatever it hits.

Even dulled, it'd whack Xavier's head from his shoulders through pure force. And no, I didn't pull the fps from thin air, unlike the stats you've been giving me for the last several posts. I clearly gave a ground from which to define Auz's capabilities at the start. It was only today that you went into math with what Xavier could do, and I have no way of knowing if you made up his exact speed on the spot to match Auz's.

Make no mistake, it is me giving you the benefit of the doubt in terms of speed, but I can't be so generous if you seek to have every possible advantage, when I literally have a sword at your character's neck. Xavier has extraordinary defence, but if he's so tough that even when Auz slashes one of Xavier's most mortal spots at full power that he can live, I'd have to call this an unsalvageable mismatch.

There's no reason Xavier can't block all his vitals, if his blood can pool and harden in any spot it is present as fast as an enemy can attack, with enough gusto to stop something carrying several times the energy of a bullet that can shoot through tank armor.

Again, I'll say it. Auz is channeling a direct slash to Xavier's throat with at a bare, bare minimum, four times the power a bullet needs to penetrate a tank.
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Oh, one more thing. My last post might have sounded a bit harsh. Sorry if it did. I tend to get a little aggressive in OOC, but it's strictly skin deep, one polititian ragging on another.
I just have this good cop/bad cop mentality, like fuckin' Sour Patch Kids. Sour, then sweet.

I'm gonna try the ref approach; when in doubt, make a settlement. How about Auz cuts Xavier's neck to the bone, but doesn't succeed in severing the vertebrae. Basically, a skeleton neck.

Auz gets his flank cut open and gets stabbed in the back, but his armor and enhanced durability helps him to survive, if at least for a minute or two more before he goes into shock.

I have my own opinions about what should happen, but I'd rather be agreeable and fun than correct (in my opinion of course), if the only thing being correct gets me is more OOC business.
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Wrong sir. Xavier currently has 6 wounds supplying metal to his chest. Possibly just 5 since his right hand is covered in metal. A small slice on the chest, a slightly larger slice, 2 stabs to the chest and one in the back.

With Xaviers stats all I did was use the exact same math for your character on him. While giving you the benefit of the doubt. The strength stat comes directly from his CS.

My plan now is for deflection into Xaviers chest and armor. It will end up with the sword burying itselt a distance in Xaviers chest through his shoulder. Through several different means the blow will be absorbed and slowed to prevent terrible damage.

It will make more sense when you read the post.
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Oh yeah, you're right. Auz stabbed at Xavier's heart and Xavier hurt his own chest. Touche'.

I have previous evidence supporting Auz's original intended stats. Xavier has had little reference in that area before today. Like I said, there are different kinds of strength. Strength is by no means a definite factor with which to determine speed alone. That's beside the point though, because I believe you. You had to set it up at some point, and this was as good a time as any.

I still consider it a highly uneven bout, given Xavier's ability to shoot blood spikes from his body at will as a repellent to close range combat, and how since his blood can act independently of his body, it's virtually impossible to disable his attacking capabilities. A.E, cut off Auz's right arm, his attack power is halved. Cut off Xavier's right arm, he can grow a blood whip from it, cut Auz's other arm off, and then haul his severed limb back into place, perhaps to solidify it into a brutish, primitive club.

Ahhh, well. That's just me being a complainer. Ol' Doc is just frumpy grumpy that his favorite grappling moves can be easily countered by a torrent of body spikes.

I know that you'll give me a good, challenging post.

On another train of thought, does Xavier require oxygenated blood to live or to power his muscles?
Does he get lightheaded if too much blood is used up?
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My evidence is only in my CS. I had written thay Xavier is capable of delivering a 3000lb punch. And if you were to actually sever the arm completely it would be useless. Yes it could be swung around but I'd rather it stay off and fight one armed. Now if it is partially severed than yes, I would probably cover the wound and then kinda puppeteer it like on his left arm.

You just need to create a fanciful powered character like Xavier and then we can have the REAL battle lol.

No, Xavier does not have oxygenated blood. When he was changed from Human to Bloodbayne his entire body was warped and changed. Now it feeds itself off any chaos in the realm. So long aa it is not a perfect utopian society he will always have power. Muscles and the like are simply powered by Chaos energy rather than Oxygen.

That being said, I have designed Xavier to have 3 times the amount of blood as an average person. In the past, my reasoning would have been like "just because".

To date I have generated the following - To become a Bloodbayne one is to be infected with Chaos cells through special means. The cells attack red blood cells and replicate 4 times. The Chaos god of his world had been trying to gain power through this means. The Chaos cells would fill a random person and take over, taking the body to a special lake where the new Chaos cells could be harvested.

Long story short, the god chose Xavier to be his vessel but it didn't work quite like he hoped.

So yes, he would get light headed if he used to much because he still has a set amount. But it is still around 5.5 gallons. I keep it liquified until impact most times so when he's in contact with it it will still flow.
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Sometimes matchups are like fire and ice. For example, my much beloved
monster makes virtually every flesh and blood creature its bitch. If it fought Xavier though, I honestly think he'd wreck the fuck out of it. It'd bite him somewhere and earn a spike through the roof of its mouth and into its brain for the trouble. Just goes to show how you gotta put thought into matchups.

Funny thing is, you kinda got me cornered. Grappling really is my favorite thing to use, and I typically finish all of my fights on the ground. Xavier is totally anti-wrestling.

You got me in a check bruh. I won't get checkmated without a balls to the wall fight though!
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Sorry man, shit gothe hectic for awhile there. Expecting a baby soon-is!

I'll post soon though.
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I gave your post a good look over, so now I just have to reply within the weekend.

There were a few... complications with my wife's pregnancy that had me ridiculously stressed the last few says.. BUT! After an appointment yesterday with baby ultrasound specialists they told us the other Dr's just didn't know what they were looking at. So they just told us what they THOUGHT they saw and scared the hell out of us. But thankfully everything is perfect!
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We may need a judge in here for this one lol regardless of the outcome we should go at it again! Just power up a character so we can fight on another level!
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