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(I am RPing a place more than a nation, so I am using the group app because it works better for my purposes but it's more... in between the two concepts)

Type: No-Man's Land

Assets: The Panama Disputed Zone, A region colloquially known as "The Tears," consisting of Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama, and large chunks of Columbia.

Personnel: Locals who failed to flee, soldiers who failed to leave, and exiles who failed to live in civilization.

History: War did no favors for the Central American nation-states. While the war shifted across the planet, this region stayed a constant battleground. The value of the Panama canal to naval forces turned the Isthmus and everything surrounding it into one of the worst battlegrounds man had ever seen. Mountains were leveled by the warfires, and fertile land near the sea were struck so often that levels of soil were obliterated for miles, leaving salt-water swamps where farmland had once stood. The land was made unsafe by radioactive weaponry and chemical waste. Most fled, seeking refuge in whatever camps they could find in whichever nations would take them. Some didn't. Some couldn't. As the war slowed down and the worlds militaries receded, they left behind ruins and waste. Neighboring nations have made unrecognized claims to this land, but none of them have went beyond that because the problem of policing it is too daunting and there are no taxes to be had. Some borderlands have slowly been reclaimed, but most of it remains a lawless bramble.

The term "The Tears" came from a wartime poem. Where the rainforests burned away during the war, the lack of foliage turned the ground into a horrible mess of ponds, swamp, and mud. Though the term originally applied mostly to the west coast of Nicaragua, where the fighting had been the thickest. The flooded foxholes and craters that covered the muddy moonscape looked like tears to the worn out soldiers who fought and died there. The locals have taken the name for their own, finding it more descriptive than "Panama Disputed Zone."

Piracy, drug production, human trafficking, and terrorism are common in The Tears. Warlords rule much of the interior, with the coasts being governed by weak local governments and foreign reintegration missions. Exiles and political refugees have found it to be any easy place to get lost, as have war criminals or those so mentally damaged by their time in the war that there is nowhere else they can go.

The Panama Canal itself is ruled by "The Panama Authority", an international organization whose director wishes to expand his influence across the entirety of the Disputed Zone. An American by birth, he changed his name to "Mister Promises" and is seeking to unify the area by politics and favors rather than strength of arms. He has limited foreign support, but is arguably the most powerful entity in the area. The disputed land to the north of the Canal is where the worst of the fighting happened. Most of the activity happens there. The area to the south includes most of Columbia. The Columbian government, once in exile, has been making inroads into its old territories. The Columbian government has made its capital in Barranquila
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The Oculi wouldn't like any kind of dictatorship and would violently oppose it. And I realize most of those countries are democracies now, but I'm assuming that the world of pre-WW3 is more ridden with dictators, possessing a more dystopic feel. That's where the idea of France and Italy being taken over by tyrants came from in my background.
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Crya said
The Oculi wouldn't like any kind of dictatorship and would violently oppose it. And I realize most of those countries are democracies now, but I'm assuming that the world of pre-WW3 is more ridden with dictators, possessing a more dystopic feel. That's where the idea of France and Italy being taken over by tyrants came from in my background.


I hope you mean post. "Pre" means before.
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Placeholder (previous app denied, it pretty much had a 1/4 of the worlds population after all xD)

Reserving Russia, Estonia, Eastern Ukraine, Latvia and Lithuania

You want someone for the Oculi to fire at Crya? Say hello to the new CCCP, destined to be a land grabbing SOB
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Russia better fight tooth and nail with NATO over those Baltic states, because they're members of it.
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Russia better fight tooth and nail with NATO over those Baltic states, because they're members of it.


Something tells me that NATO is probably irrelevant now.

World Wars have a tendency to rewrite all the alliances and agreements.
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Russia better fight tooth and nail with NATO over those Baltic states, because they're members of it.


As far as I am aware NATO went the way of the dodo along with the UN and EU (It seems we have lawlessness, judging from the intro post and several apps, a new German Empire in Europe etc)
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If the war can turn Iran into an apologist state, it can do anything.
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One thing that might be worth addressing is the international condition post-war, beyond a few really weird-as-shit political shifts (Germany going back to an Empire) and territorial gains. Mostly dealing with the economic concerns of such a massive war going on for fifteen years.

To the major participants of the conflict, you have the obvious bit concerning a lot of young men and women being killed on the front-line, creating a significant artificial population dip in the national demographics. And for nations with a shrinking population like Russia this could catastrophic in the future as they get a ticking time-bomb that is a a massive aging population being supported by a smaller youth demographic. As a reference, here's the Russian population pyramid from 2010:



There's a bunch of Soviet-borns who'd be seniors by the time this RP picks up and just as many middle-aged Soviet-era citizens who would have children that would have died in the war. And already we see the patterns associated with a industrial or post-industrial society, which is a stabilized or even shrinking population brought from across the board economic potential that would distract from child bearing and family planning. There'd be a dip like what is seen in the 65-70 demographic who found WW2. So project that on the current 10-20 year old demographic(s) and you got another huge cut being made to the working-age youth.

And Russia already has issues with keeping its army full because there are so few service-age people.

And others:

US, now and projection in the future:


Germany:


China:


So we got a future population crisis in many areas. And larger older populations make the issues of pensions a contentious issue as the state tries to keep money in the hand of their older generation and a smaller working youth population to keep the pension fund full.

On top of this we got the economic concerns in 3d printing to worry about and the changing face of manufacturing brought by it. Will everyone be the owners of the means of production to produce whatever they want or need? Or will the rites to produce be in the hands of those that already do, giving them more manufacturing power with less a need to employ? Either way there'll be an economic impact which'll only layer itself on the residual effects of war-time inflation (and someone somewhere has to pay for those bombs). Even if you weren't in the war you'll be feeling the pinch as interest rates adjust to inflation and the value of every other currency makes dramatic swings.

I have the feeling this isn't being considered when people continue to chant "reconstruction". Reconstruct with what exactly? Who benefits? How does it benefit? Who hurts? How does it hurt? What post-war political, philosophical, and economic questions remain post-war? What of the fate of armies? With so few service-age men and women in many top-powers there'll be that contentious matter of how to supplement the empty ranks, and how to effectively field a modern army at lower costs.
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One thing that might be worth addressing is the international condition post-war, beyond a few really weird-as-shit political shifts (Germany going back to an Empire) and territorial gains. Mostly dealing with the economic concerns of such a massive war going on for fifteen years.To the major participants of the conflict, you have the obvious bit concerning a lot of young men and women being killed on the front-line, creating a significant artificial population dip in the national demographics. And for nations with a shrinking population like Russia this could catastrophic in the future as they get a ticking time-bomb that is a a massive aging population being supported by a smaller youth demographic. As a reference, here's the Russian population pyramid from 2010:There's a bunch of Soviet-borns who'd be seniors by the time this RP picks up and just as many middle-aged Soviet-era citizens who would have children that would have died in the war. And already we see the patterns associated with a industrial or post-industrial society, which is a stabilized or even shrinking population brought from across the board economic potential that would distract from child bearing and family planning. There'd be a dip like what is seen in the 65-70 demographic who found WW2. So project that on the current 10-20 year old demographic(s) and you got another huge cut being made to the working-age youth.And Russia already has issues with keeping its army full because there are so few service-age people.And others:US, now and projection in the future:Germany:China:So we got a future population crisis in many areas. And larger older populations make the issues of pensions a contentious issue as the state tries to keep money in the hand of their older generation and a smaller working youth population to keep the pension fund full.On top of this we got the economic concerns in 3d printing to worry about and the changing face of manufacturing brought by it. Will everyone be the owners of the means of production to produce whatever they want or need? Or will the rites to produce be in the hands of those that already do, giving them more manufacturing power with less a need to employ? Either way there'll be an economic impact which'll only layer itself on the residual effects of war-time inflation (and someone somewhere has to pay for those bombs). Even if you weren't in the war you'll be feeling the pinch as interest rates adjust to inflation and the value of every other currency makes dramatic swings.I have the feeling this isn't being considered when people continue to chant "reconstruction". Reconstruct with what exactly? Who benefits? How does it benefit? Who hurts? How does it hurt? What post-war political, philosophical, and economic questions remain post-war? What of the fate of armies? With so few service-age men and women in many top-powers there'll be that contentious matter of how to supplement the empty ranks, and how to effectively field a modern army at lower costs.


Hence why I generally make the factions I play as sit out the massive ass WW3 xD Though I probably won't be able to do that this time, playing Russia lol

I'll think that through, thanks. So if I may try and summerise?

We are starting in a world where all our economies are shit because the global economy has crumbled, our people are mostly aged 50+ at the least, creating a very top heavy society, our militaries are in the gutter for man power and we need to come up with how to field an army now (And I am going to assume the technology to make massive rail guns and running loads of advanced fighter jets are kind of irrelevant because of budget cuts)


Russia's new armoured fury! 99.999% cheaper! 100% less effective!

Oh, and the war went on 15 years, so the demographics include those who are over 3 or so (Assuming you have them join up come 18 for ww3) having been slashed instead of just over 10's. Damn, our societies are pretty fucked
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I think an important thing to bring up is that the modern economy is fast on track to international integration. Violence or Earthquakes in China can have rippling effects throughout the international economy as many consumer goods at least raise in price due in part to disturbed supply. Violence in the middle east can raise oil prices across the world. So somewhere there had to be advancement that reconditions societies for some economic independence, or the belligerent sides somehow break down in alliances that somehow give all sides enough of a share of resources they only need to worry about how to ration it.

But one thing's for sure when we're done, the international market and the face would most likely shift as post-war sanctions take effect, or during-war sanctions on other nations continue stubbornly.

This will in turn not only re-shape the face of government in the military and its functions, but the public conscious as they argue if the "old way" is better or if they should pursue a "new way". 3D printing could very well become a thing modern socialists cling to, parading it as the means for public production all throughout society as the traditional capitalist elements seek to control it to protect their self interests.

You could also have situations where the ASF itself can find it very, very easy to arm itself with custom parts and become a majority independent of the world market through 3d printing, which could be a part of growing manufacturing independence, which adds to economic independence all over. Why have china build your cars when you can print and assemble the parts in the garage? Or why let the common man do it when traditional bourgiese bodies can clamp down on public use and use 3d printing for cheap at-home production?
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Technology is going to hella come into play I think. Automation might simplify some of the traditional economic problems that are faced after wars. Namely, the sudden loss of a lot of young people. Don't matter that Jimmy died, a robot will do his job now. Or grandma in a cybernetic suit.
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Or unmanned vehicles in the later part of the war.

But as the world recovers that leaves a lot of questions in regards to how automation should be treated. Should the nation return to less automation for the sake of job creation at the sacrifice of a competitive edge?

The RP's sort of at the thresh hold of two dystopias. One post-war, and one where automation is on the way to taking over a lot of low-skill jobs and changing the job market, making even some high-skilled jobs very competitive.
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We might reach a point where working for a living is obsolete. Which would mean a major economic shift the likes hasn't been seen since the 18th century. It would completely change how the market works.
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We might reach a point where working for a living is obsolete. Which would mean a major economic shift the likes hasn't been seen since the 18th century. It would completely change how the market works.


And with it the political argument on whether to push ahead with this, or wind back to the old manner of production. A sort of new-age Reactionary movement.
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Name of Nation: Russian Federation

Territories: Armenia (Democratically joined, possibly rigged), Beralus, Georgia (Officially democratically joined. Vote suspected to be rigged), Russia, Ukraine

Government Type: Federation, de jure Parlamentary Republic, de facto Presidential Republic. Overall, little has changed from the Russian Federation.

Military: Overall, the Russian Military has access to some heavily advanced arms technology which they make with their fully indigenous Arms Industry. This is mostly present on their vehicles and int heir special forces, however, and the majority of their soldiers are rather standard, if heavily trained.

Standard Branches:
While they have been displaying a shortage of soldiers in the current time, especially due to those lost during the conflicts to take territories (As well as hold their own) during the Third World War, the Russian Military is not to be underestimated. Their forces are known to be extremely resourceful, especially those assigned to the 'Spetsnaz' branches, and have recieved extensive training in the recent years to make up for the short fall of soldiers. The term 'short fall' is perhaps misleading, as a result of having little involvement in the Third World War, their military is in a better shape than those of the more heavily involved of the other countries even with the hit it has taken.

Russian Ground Forces: The Ground Forces of the Russian Federation (Russian: Сухопутные войска Российской Федерации, tr. Suhoputnye voyska Rossiyskoy Federatsii) are the land forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

Russian Air Force: The Russian Air Force (Russian: Военно-воздушные cилы России, tr. Voyenno-Vozdushnye Sily Rossii) is the aerial warfare service branch of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. As a result of cuts to it's armed forces, the Russian Air Force has attained the member of the Russian Naval Aviation wing.

Russian Navy: The Russian Navy (Russian: Военно-морской Флот Российской Федерации (ВМФ России), tr. Voyenno-morskoy Flot Rossiyskoy Federatsii (VMF Rossii), lit. Military-Maritime Fleet of the Russian Federation) is the naval arm of the Russian military. Due to cuts to it's armed forces, the Russian Naval Aviation wing was disbanded and it's remaining members placed under the Russian Air Force

Special Purpose Forces AKA: Spetsnaz (Спецназ)
These forces are often mistakenly reffered to simply as 'Spetsnaz' by the western media. Spetsnaz merely means 'Special Purpose Forces' and can apply to any troop which performs a special task, and the western media often mean the GRU Spetsnaz when they say this. This section applies to only the 'true' Special Purpose Forces

Strategic Missile Troops: The Strategic Missile Troops or Strategic Rocket Forces of the Russian Federation or RVSN RF are a military branch of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation that controls Russia's land-based inter-continental ballistic missiles (ICBMs).

Russian Aerospace Defence Forces: The Aerospace Defence Forces (Russian: Войска воздушно-космической обороны, tr. Voyska Vozdushno-Kosmicheskoy Oborony or VKO (ВКО)) is the branch of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation responsible for air and missile defence, and the operation of Russian military satellites and the Plesetsk Cosmodrome. Some of it's forces are trained to operate within space it's self as combat troops, forseen by the Russian government as the "Battlefield of tommorow"

Russian Airborne Troops: The Russian Airborne Troops or VDV (from "Vozdushno-desantnye voyska", Russian: Воздушно-десантные войска, ВДВ; Air-landing Forces) is a military branch of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. They are an elite force, on par with the Strategic Rocket Forces and the Russian Space Forces.

GRU Spetsnaz: GRU Spetsnaz (ГРУ Спецназ) are the elite military formations under the control of the military intelligence service GRU. It was the first Soviet/Russian spetsnaz (special forces) force, and is now the oldest. The GRU Spetsnaz serve as general special forces troops and are the most well known of the Spetsnaz branches

WMD: The Russian Federation has a stockpile of 8,500 nuclear warheads, as well as nearly 100 Aviation Thermobaric Bomb of Increased Power, the so called Father of all Bombs, that had been in the Russian Federations stockpile before the war. His many if the warheads are strategically active is up for debate. But it is estimated to be around 1,800

Economy: The country has a large and fully indigenous arms industry, producing most of its own military equipment with only few types of weapons imported. Russia is the world's top supplier of arms, a spot it has held since 2001, accounting for around 30% of worldwide weapons sales, and exporting weapons to about 80 countries, and because of this it boomed during the third world war, exporting it's equipment abroad to countries desperately in need of equipment to continue the war. It benefitted so much during the war that some conspiracy theorists have suggested Russia started it, something Russia it's self has denied fiercly and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. It also exports natural gas, crude oil, many various metals and wood, giving it a source of wealth in the uncertain world. During the War, Russia poured large amounts of it's profits into the stabalisation fund of the Russian Federation and stored much more inside other funds, planning for the future crash that was certain to come with the end of the World War. When this end came and suddenly the demand for their resources was at an all time low, Russia was able to use their stored funds to keep its economy afloat and profits are at their lowest in over 35 years

Foreign Policy: The Russian Federation has shown an apptitude through getting what it wants through force in recent years, and their foreign policy could be considered hostile as a result, but it varies heavily depending on their purpose

History: Russia remained mostly neutral for the majority of the Third World War, benefiting from it's massive arms industry and selling to foreign powers, not getting involved in the fighting until the year 2035 where they seized their chance in a weakening world and rode into Georgia, dragging it into the war in Europe. The President of Russia, Pavel Kapalkin, offered a democratic vote to them. While officially the vote was a yes, it is suspected the vote was rigged. In 2036 Russian forces moved into Beralus, conquering it after a short period of bloody fighting.
A vote was held in Armenia, who had a majority vote of yes and thus rejoined the Russian Federation, and while this is believed to be the most legitimate of the 'Democratic' join claims, it is considered possible it too was rigged. In 2038, the war winding to a close, the Kremlin recieved a request from the pro-russian faction of the three sided civil war in Ukraine. In return for assistance, the Pro-Russian faction of Eastern Ukraine would join them and 'Gift' them Western, South and Northern Ukraine. The Russian Federation provided military assistance and secured a victory for the Pro-Russian faction, and as a result moved in to recieve their 'Gift', not taking no for an answer by the many Anti-Russian ukrainians. More bloody fighting, more lives lost in a territorial conflict
Immediately following the end of the war, and with many now weathered by WW3 and against the idea of having another war, the Russian Arms Industry fails to find much legitimate business, though remains curiously able to stay afloat, suspected to be due to illegal arms deals. It's crude oil and natural gas exports, have dropped down below pre-war levels, their lowest in over three decades. It's metal exports have decreased from their war time level, but are higher than their pre-war level for the moment

Foes: Oculi, Peoples of north, west and south Ukraine, Kazakhstan

Demographics: Approx 212 Million, mostly Slavic.

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It's the Luddites all over again.

Edit: Pertaining to Aaron's comment, not Slav-town.
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I approve of your app, but I'm gonna wait for Aaron's two cents.
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Oil and metal prices tend to fall after wars. You can imagine how big of a demand there is for those products during wartime, and how quickly the demand falls when suddenly nobody needs a shitload of tanks/planes/pre-filled jerry-cans anymore.
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