[OOC] Swordfight

[Vordak]

double blah

[Schradinger]

Also, this is a low tier fight, and zarkith is definitely intermediate.

[GreivousKhan]

Vordak said
Khan, just so you know.Armor is frowned upon in this fight, especialy as heavy as your character's

Why?

Only fast wall jumping characters allowed?

Schradinger said
Also, this is a low tier fight, and zarkith is definitely intermediate.

Your going to have to point out what makes you consider him intermediate.

As the Matrix, which the OP used as an example, is well within intermediate. (in other words none of that stuff is even close to low tier)

[Vordak]

Kinda. Green just wants this to be a fight where every hit deals crippling damage, giving rise to competition, where one shows pure skill instead of playing the walking tank card. Even my character wouldn't be reling solely on his armor and superior strength.

As for your char's tier, don't look at what Green wrote there. Just compare to other characters instead of acting all cocky and pissed, and you'll see what i mean. Nerfing his strength, which is miles ahead of even Meats' power, and removing or lightening his armor should do, IMHO.

[Schradinger]

4 tons is 8 times what the strongest human alive can lift, and your guy can as much as double that.

What Green said was that Wanted and the first Matrix movie can be used as a reference, so taking the Wanted side into account, it can be reasonably deduced that he didn't mean Neo at the end of the Matrix, and he probably didn't mean the agents either. Even if he did, Zakith could cut down half a dozen agents without breaking a sweat.

And it's not just the strength that tips him over the edge. Right now, he's most definitely far stronger than any of the other three characters, but he's also just as skilled, just as fast (probably actually faster, given his ability to somehow use air as a cutting weapon) and far more durable. If the only advantage he had was his strength (and even at half the strength he currently has that would be a significant advantage), then he might be okay, but as it stands he's got every physical advantage possible over the others, AND he's wearing armor. This is supposed to be a 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 fight. Not a 3 vs 1 fight.

[GreivousKhan]

Schradinger said
4 tons is 8 times what the strongest human alive can lift, and your guy can as much as that.What Green said was that Wanted and the first Matrix movie can be used as a reference, so taking the Wanted side into account, it can be reasonably deduced that he didn't mean Neo at the end of the Matrix, and he probably didn't mean the agents either. Even if he did, Zakith could cut down half a dozen agents without breaking a sweat.And it's not just the strength that tips him over the edge. Right now, he's most definitely far stronger than any of the other three characters, but he's also just as skilled, just as fast (probably actually faster, given his ability to somehow use air as a cutting weapon) and far more durable. If the only advantage he had was his strength (and even at half the strength he currently has that would be a significant advantage), then he might be okay, but as it stands he's got every physical advantage possible over the others, AND he's wearing armor. This is supposed to be a 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 fight. Not a 3 vs 1 fight.

I already lowered his lift weight a good while ago, and I remove the durability.

At least you didn't attack me like Vordak, geesh dude calm down.

[Vordak]

Sorry, i was just under the impression that you didn't read the other character's sheets, and that sure annoyed me.

[GreivousKhan]

I don't like looking at other sheets until after I finish mine, if anything is more then what was put in I can always change it. We're all reasonable human begins here after all.

[Vordak]

Still, even in his current state, Zakith is superior to Meats, having nearly everything Meats has, only inherently better. And if he enters the Red Mist, he will not only have a stat boost, but also gain the vitality and pain immunity he was devoid of, leaving the highly situational omnidirectional view as Meats' only advantage.

And i kinda think that my char is already a tad bit too powerful compared to the other two.

[GreivousKhan]

Vordak said
Still, even in his current state, Zakith is superior to Meats, having nearly everything Meats has, only inherently better. And if he enters the Red Mist, he will not only have a stat boost, but also gain the vitality and pain immunity he was devoid of, leaving the highly situational omnidirectional view as Meats' only advantage.And i kinda think that Meats is already a tad bit too powerful compared to the other two characters.

Red mist would have him stand stock still for two post before entering his rage mode(which I forgot to add a time table to), while meat starts off that way. Also the rage makes him extremely predicable and leaves him exhausted after it wears off..

[Schradinger]

To me, Meats was borderline. Too many advantages without any significant disadvantages to go with them, but since he's not blatantly more powerful than a peak human like Bane (without venom) then I was willing to accept him. But back to Zakith.

He can shatter stone with little difficulty, and often overpowers opponents much larger than himself (300 pounds).

Is that referring to the weight he can lift, or the weight of the opponents he can overpower? In comic-dom, 500-600 pounds is usually considered peak human, though personally I'd put someone like Bane at around 1,000-1,200, and your guy strikes me as being similar to him.

I'd also prefer he not have any kind of plate armor (apart from maybe a pair of bracers), since this is supposed to be skill vs skill and Zakith isn't lacking even slightly in that department (if he was less skilled than the others, I'd be willing to allow armor to make up for the deficit, but he's clearly not).

One last thing is the speed with which you say he can wield his sword. Just keep in mind that a 7 and a half foot sword that weighs 23 pounds is most definitely going to move slower than my tomahawks or Green's katana, simply due to the restrictions of physics.

[Vordak]

Still, nerfing the half-plate would be only fair. He has thougher armor, a longer sword and a longer sidearm. Though the latter two are even to Meats' arsenal, his sword having a better sectional density and sidearm being sharper and stiffer, but Moderm's might be weaker. Of course, a well used katana can the power of a longsword, but a shiv is no competition here.

[Schradinger]

True, but big heavy weapons are going to make Zakith slower, which is the trade off for more powerful strikes.

[Vordak]

Schradinger, dont forget about the angular movement advatage. The tip of the sword may as well be as fast as the katana or tomahawk, though again, his sword has the least sectional desity, so im okay with it right now.

[Schradinger]

The speed I'm talking about has more to do with acceleration and momentum. Yes, it's very fast at the tip, but what if he misses? Then he's got all that weight dragging his swing past the striking point and leaving him open to counter-attack. Even being stronger than most humans, it'll take longer to recover from that than it would for David or Mordem to recover from a similar strike.

[GreivousKhan]

He no longer has a breast plate, so only his arms are protected, which seems to be the extent of armors so far. Meat I suppose being something of a exception.

And I'm well aware larger swords have slower recovery then smaller weapons.

Surprised Schradinger didn't bring a sword. :P

[Schradinger]

Oh? Why does that surprise you?

[GreivousKhan]

Schradinger said
The speed I'm talking about has more to do with acceleration and momentum. Yes, it's very fast at the tip, but what if he misses? Then he's got all that weight dragging his swing past the striking point and leaving him open to counter-attack. Even being stronger than most humans, it'll take longer to recover from that than it would for David or Mordem to recover from a similar strike.

Not that smaller weapon means one should take greater risk, the time it takes to recover from a committed blow is such, that regardless of the weapon, you rarely see any one fully commit to a strike in a real sword fight.

[GreivousKhan]

Schradinger said
Oh? Why does that surprise you?

I suggested a melee fight, then you said something about 'why cant swords alone be interesting?'

[Schradinger]

I was just having a go at what Green said about it. I can pretty easily switch to a sword though, if ya'll think I might have too big an advantage with the tomahawks. ;)