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So, guys I've been mulling around the idea of the main character a little bit and I wanted to know if you want her to be herself in the dream thus being lucid, being a character in her own dream thus being not lucid or start out as herself and get more and more fantasy throughout the story?


I think it would be more hilarious if she was more like herself, being completely confused about where she was, and slowly becoming engrossed in the world, without really becoming apart of it.
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I think it would be more hilarious if she was more like herself, being completely confused about where she was, and slowly becoming engrossed in the world, without really becoming apart of it.


I think that would be more believable as well.
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As much as your character is interesting, I suggest that you have a bio that more strongly represents the fantasy character you described, I mean your character is awesome, and the fantasy bio is ok, because it is meant to be short, but the real life one is what is supposed to link up why your fantasy character is that way. It is how the protagonist saw you when she was alive, and also I don't understand the relation, Sister or neighbor? Maybe it is because I'm incompetent, but you didn't exactly describe it well if you did mention it. Other than that good luck with your character.
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As much as your character is interesting, I suggest that you have a bio that more strongly represents the fantasy character you described, I mean your character is awesome, and the fantasy bio is ok, because it is meant to be short, but the real life one is what is supposed to link up why your fantasy character is that way. It is how the protagonist saw you when she was alive, and also I don't understand the relation, Sister or neighbor? Maybe it is because I'm incompetent, but you didn't exactly describe it well if you did mention it. Other than that good luck with your character.

My character is intended to be the big sister of the protagonist. The fantasy side is how the little sister SEES her, not necessarily how she truly is. Being that the MC has not been fully developed, I tried to keep the Real Character Bio as vague as possible.

Also, I only used the term "girl next door" to describe the type of personality she has. (See here) Sorry if that was confusing.
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Nora remembers that she always set the best example for her little sister, getting the best grades in her class and obeying any and all rules set forth by her parents. It was always a pride to her to hear her parents tell her younger sister that she should act more like Nora.


Also, while this may be a fond memory for Nora, possibly not so much for the MC. I'm sure constantly being compared to your seemingly "perfect" older sibling would get annoying fast. I was trying to hint to why the fantasy side is so drastically different from the real character.
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I can understand your way of thinking, but I would think that if you were seemingly perfect than you would come out as an incompetent nitwit who was happy about everything. I would see that as being more reasonable if she was the kind of person to get good grades, and is as you describe a girl next door kind of character (cute, kind, unassuming, and honest). Even if the protagonist saw her as evil, should would still have a basic understanding of who she actually was, and would see here as the classic i'm too popular for you kind of girl, rather than an evil pessimistic prankster. Of course it is your character, and I'm not a GM, I was just expressing thought on ways you could improve. So don't take offense to what I say!
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Toaw: No worries. No offense taken.
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Toaw, your sig scares me...

Have we decided on a name for the MC yet, by any chance? 'Cuz I'd like to have that cemented before I write my character's bio, since it's kinda intergral to it.... xD
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Sadly I won't be able to read up on your CS yet since I'm going to bed now (And it sounds like thunder... So stuff gets unplugged soon...) I have enough time to tell Xalt that MC doesn't get named until MC's sheet is made. Consider it a symbolic thing, but I'll edit your CS once she's out to include MC's name. And also that Toaw's version of what I was saying is awesome and I'm gonna go with that.
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Zordon: Most of the problems I have with your character can be summed up with 'Nora is a Mary Sue'. Perhaps you did not allot yourself enough time to think on possible drawbacks, weaknesses, ect that she may have but as it stands she's 'perfect'.

Kelnorah is similar, having no real drawbacks, except she is characterized as someone who messes with people for the sake of it. This does not fit with Nora in any way. Sure, you could reason that maybe MC is making her out to be a baddie because she's not too fond of her sister, but that would be a very conscious move on her part. Kelnorah is part of MCs subconscious, the very same that's trying to get her to mature. Also there's the minor problem I have with how vague her personality is.

I'd also like for you to focus on the interactions between Nora and MC in Nora's Bio as apposed to mentioning too much about their parents. Someone else is going to write for the parents and it would be unfair to mention their behavior. I know in PM I said the same about MC but on second thought I can be more lenient about that since she's just as much your character as she is everyone else's. The parents are going to be PCs though so please focus on Nora and MC in that bio.

Sorry if I focused on the negative but that's how I do my assessments. It's more effective when I'm assessing my own work :/
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Let me start on a positive.

  • I agree that Kelnorahs personality section was left rather bare on my part. I believe I was simply trying to focus that not much is known about her in this world. I can certainly expand on it.

  • Being that the parents will be PCs, I can also go back and emphasize more on Nora/MC interactions and/or simply Nora.


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I also feel the need to rebuttal on some of your points.
  • Yes. Kelnorah and Nora are vastly different. Kelnorah is portrayed as a prankster and "messes with people for the sake of it". This is exactly as you say. Just because Nora is seemingly perfect, does not mean that the MC sees her as such. I was trying to build up the impression that the MC sees Nora as a rival of sorts, someone who is always doing things to undermine her. "Oh look. Another good grade. I swear she only does that to make my average grades look worse." Or "another sports trophy. Now my medal for participation in X sport seems to be nothing!"

  • Yes, this is a big assumption but, that is what I was going for. I find it a little difficult to build my supporting character for a MC that we still know very little about. So, it is troublesome to become specific without determining something about the character that is not within my control.

  • Plus, I thought we were to all have an "equal stake in changing the way the main character behaves, what her backstory is and how she will grow through the experience", as mentioned in the OP. My character simply shows that she has a jealous/envious relationship with her older sister.

  • Also, in terms of Kelnorahs character, though she may be a prankster, her "growth/maturity" role is for the MC to come to terms with having the cancer, just as Nora was trying to do in the real world. This is why I had given her the "Brutally Honest" trait. She may play some childish prank, and say the MC has a chose of two items, the one she chooses causes some comical outcome, say dying her hair some outrageous color. Kelnorah would swing by and say something along the lines of "You can't keep blaming others for what is out of their control."


--END RANT--

I'm still interested in participating in this RP and, as stated, I will adjust as best as I can to your criticism. However, the shell of my characters will be essentially the same. If you do not like this and would rather I drop, I will do so without qualm.

Regardless of decision, I wish this RP success and hope I can be a part of that.
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I don't have a problem with your character.
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Optimist said
I don't have a problem with your character.


Thank you.
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Optimist said
I don't have a problem with your character.


You however are an optimist :P
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Toaw said
You however are an optimist :P


This is true...
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Well before I talk about your rebuttals I have to apologize about how I regarded your CS. It was less of an assessment and more like unreasonable chiding. That is unfair for you because I can see that you mean well and because most of the reasons why I have trouble with the CS is because of the idea of this RP. It is an idea that grants you freedom as it takes it away. The latter being shown in that you say you are having difficulty working with a character you know nothing about. I have to say that this is certainly a much different way to look at an RP and perhaps I'm not leading you all in the way I should to make your difficulties less difficult. Because of that, I believe we should work together so the RP doesn't take a severely wrong turn. My behavior today hasn't really allowed you to do much teamwork though, and for that I am sorry. And I certainly didn't mean to give the impression that I wanted you to leave.

To the rest of you as well, I've gotten busier since I started this RP. At about the same time as the OOC opened, actually. Because of that the idea of tying in all of your current and future characters with the MC is really stressing me out. If you could lend me some assistance on that matter I would be very grateful. I know that's pretty much my only job right now but I've lost so much inspiration and I don't know why.

Well then, back to the subject matter.

-Expanding on her would be nice considering that we would have to work alongside her but I guess you have already provided enough information to that end. To be honest, that wasn't a very important critique.

-Thank you for that one.

-I can appreciate that logic, actually, but perhaps trickster wouldn't be the best way to describe it. I feel like trickster is a different mentality then what you might be going for here. If you were to think through the kind of mentality of someone who is jealous of another, perhaps you may come to the conclusion that they feel like the other is a thief of sorts. In this case, MC thinking Nora is stealing her success. You probably have a different take on that but I still feel like trickster has a more destructive mentality behind it.

HOWEVER, it would be very easy to make the trickster idea more believable if you added a specific of some sort. Perhaps say, Nora partakes in mischief to relieve stress so she can perform better in whatever task she wishes to optimize. Even if the mischief has no harm to anyone a sibling rivalry would make her representation a bit more malevolent. That way her goal of becoming a Pediatrician isn't made any less believable AND it gives her a little quirk that makes her seem less perfect to me. Any tie-in between the Nora and Kelnorah whatsoever, no matter how flimsy would be just fine. Especially since the jealousy involved would make a flimsy tie much stronger.

-I should probably hurry up on my end for that, seeing as how I can easily change the MC on the fly before the IC happens and putting her out there would probably help you all out immensely with character drawing.

-Yes, and you should continue to think that way. Now that I am not acting like a dirtbag (Or tired in the case of your PM previously) I can say it's fine to tinker with the MC a bit. I don't have too much to work with personality wise so that would be fine, I could have a little sliver of a foundation to build on later ^^

~~~Blehhhhhhh~~~

I just realized I haven't talked about MC much. I was considering the idea of MC sympathizing with the various homosexual and bisexual characters without being either herself. Would it be believable for her to be so because she is a huge tomboy? She has trouble conforming a societal representation of a woman, or just with society in itself (The second could explain her engrossment in fantasy). And I'm already running out of words... But yeah, if you have ideas that change that, replace it or update it, please tell me.
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Closet Nerd said
Well before...~snip~

...please tell me.


TL;DR :P

I kid, I kid, I read all of it~

...but I'm at a loss for words right now. Buys working on my own RP project, so I'm kinda...unmotivated right now xD
I'll try to get an actual reply up later xD
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How's that workin out, btw? I haven't heard about it in a little while :P
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Ehe~
sorry about that. I've just been kind of busy lately between college and work. Now on top of that i'm trying to get into the field I'm actually going to college for. Which is Law Enforcement, if you're curious.

It's going slowly, at least me getting any thoughts down on paper is. I've got a pretty good grasp of it in my head, but whenever I go to try to put my thoughts onto paper or type them up, I just hit blanks. I've just been very...unmotivated. I think its stress/me not getting enough sleep. I've gotten the general outline of the iCheck done, but its rather...uninspiring. It needs more before I put it up.
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