[OOC] World in Revolution: 1900

[NarcolepticSailor]

Pasta Sentient said
I have to agree here. Just because historically Canada did not take advantage of their position does not mean they should be hampered here in 1900. Canada has the potential to be a tier 1.

Probably not tier one due to their low population.

[The Nexerus]

Tier 1 is a silly thought. Tier V equally so.

duck55223 said
Who are we supposed to send orders to?

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[So Boerd]

South Africa's resource base is pretty low, too.

[AegonVI]

Pasta Sentient said
I have to agree here. Just because historically Canada did not take advantage of their position does not mean they should be hampered here in 1900. Canada has the potential to be a tier 1.

USA also has the potential, but currently isn't using that. Though I do agree Canada should probably bumped up to at least tier 4. However, in defense of the tier system, I like it as a general benchmark of if you're "winning" based on if you're at the tier you want to be at. I.E. Japan might consider winning to be staying at tier one for the duration of the game.

EDIT: Not to say we should all strive to "win"

[Pepschep]

The Nexerus said
Canada is being put on the same tier for orders as Afghanistan? I don't see how a lack of control over foreign affairs would in any way hamper Canada's ability to perform as capably on a domestic level as countries of similar economic stature. Russia and China are made exceptions on the tier status because of their size. Canada outmatches both of them economically; the Canadian government has a larger amount of capital to work with and a more capable government than Russia, a Tier I country.

Pasta Sentient said
I have to agree here. Just because historically Canada did not take advantage of their position does not mean they should be hampered here in 1900. Canada has the potential to be a tier 1.

What's this? Sensible critique?

You're completely right, but Canada is for all intents and purposes a colony. Make a deal with Britain, and you and South Africa will immediately be cranked up to Tier III. Furthermore, Canada's low population and the fact that it has to compete with countries in Europe for Tier I makes it unlikely they'll get up to I or II.

Here's hoping the gameplay mechanics don't influence gameplay.

European orders go to Stein, other orders go to me.

[Pasta Sentient]

Well I meant potentially during the course of the game canada could reach tier one. I'd put them at tier 3 minimum. Just my thoughts.

[Pepschep]

Pasta Sentient said
Well I meant potentially during the course of the game canada could reach tier one. I'd put them at tier 3 minimum. Just my thoughts.

They belong there, but they're a colony.

[Pepschep]

So Boerd said
South Africa's resource base is pretty low, too.

Invest in it then.

[Mathrim]

Hi,

May I get Bulgaria or something?

[So Boerd]

It starts low compared to reality at this time. Romania was not producing more than ZAR.

[Pepschep]

Mathrim said
Hi,May I get Bulgaria or something?

Was hoping for that. Welcome aboard. OOC chat here.

So Boerd said
It starts low compared to reality at this time. Romania was not producing more than ZAR.

I'll take a look.

[So Boerd]

Appreciated.

Here's what I turned up.

From the History of SA wiki,

"By 1907 the mines of the Witwatersrand produced almost one-third of the world's annual gold production"

[The Nexerus]

Dutchbag said Make a deal with Britain, and you and South Africa will immediately be cranked up to Tier III.

I've already been talking with MagnificentOne regarding further autonomy. It's a natural goal—every leader of every British white settler colony was clambering for autonomy around this time. Like I said, though, the colonial status of Canada doesn't hamper its governments ability to operate as effectively as any other nation of similar economic stature and industrial and infrastructural development. A lack of control over foreign affairs doesn't affect anything but foreign affairs, especially in Canada's case.

With that said, the stats say that Canada has its own military? The British Army and Navy are still in Canada at this point. It wasn't until 1906 IRL that the British forces left their HQ in Halifax and Canada formed its own military force, unifying all of the various regional militias and constructing/organizing the Royal Canadian Navy. You're giving Canada too much military control and not economic/domestic control to fit the timeline.

[So Boerd]

Canada had its own military. As a Dominion it was given a choice as to how many it would send to the Boer wars, and next month it would send 7,000.

[The Nexerus]

So Boerd said
Canada had its own military. As a Dominion it was given a choice as to how many it would send to the Boer wars, and next month it would send 7,000.

Yes, the colonial militias exist. I mean a unified national military under the control of Canadians. Commander-in-Chief, North America, a title of the British Army, was still the military leader of Canada in 1900.

[AegonVI]

OH NO! The Canadians are coming!

[Pepschep]

The Nexerus said
Yes, the colonial militias exist. I mean a unified national military under the control of Canadians. Commander-in-Chief, North America, a title of the British Army, was still the military leader of Canada in 1900.

It's the Brits in Canada.

Canada is at tier V because it has a subject nation. It succesfully governs itself, but its international significance is naught.

[The Nexerus]

Dutchbag said
It's the Brits in Canada.

That's what the stats represent? Okay. The Canadian military stats are going to be rapidly fluctuating, then. The British will be leaving following the Boer War, and the militias will all be unified and reformed.

[Pepschep]

We have an IRC! go to http://coldfront.net/tiramisu/, join #RPG_1900, and you're in!

Can't access it like this, then use a client. Join Mibbit, type /join #RPG_1900, and you're in.

[So Boerd]

Mibbit blocks all Tor users. I gotta stick with Chatzy.