[OOC] The Hot Headed, Heavy Hitters, Have it Out (Fury vs Kanitah, Round 2)

[LeeRoy]

Most of my dreams are riddled with complex nightmares that terrify me to no end, some are so frightening that they haunt me well into the day after I've woken up.

The rest of them are straight up weird.

[LeeRoy]

There is nowhere that conversation can go, by the way. Bringing up nightmares is just an awkward conversation stopper.

[MelonHead]

yeah, you're probably right.

For the record, Fury doesn't actually need to breathe air anymore, he's completely sustained by leeched energy. (hence his many space drops)

[LeeRoy]

Kanitah doesn't know that.

[MelonHead]

Yeah, I was just stating it for future reference (and also because you put it into what I like to call the 'damage report' where you suggest what sort of damage an attack will do in a sort of OOC fashion)

Though he maybe should have guessed, as Fury does tend to fall from space with no ill effect

[LeeRoy]

Fair point. Also, spitting into his teeth was directed as he was coming down. Not as they were pulled together.

[MelonHead]

Mmkay, regardless Fury never had his face anywhere near reasonable spitting range, like I said that would leave him open to a headbutt.

[MelonHead]

Seriously, I'm really worried we're imagining different things here. Kanitah's hands and arms are crushed beneath Fury's chest and stomach at the moment, you'd have to free them and angle punches at his sides, which would be difficult anyway which is why most people don't try and strike an opponent when they're the ones on their backs.

I only allowed the nearly impossible palm strike because I assumed Kanitah might have a moment to react with his hands before Fury threw his weight down and lay flat on top of him.

Fury isn't like arched over Kanitah and then bent down at the top to choke him, that would be both retarded and not at all what I posted.

[LeeRoy]

If his chest is pressed that tightly against Kanitah, then there's no conceivable way that he can have his foot wrapped around Kanitah's foot. Unless they're both lying down flat against eachother, at which point there's no way the grapple would work for either of them. Rolling would be so easy that Kanitah shifting his weight would roll Fury over.

[MelonHead]

If his chest is pressed that tightly against Kanitah, then there's no conceivable way that he can have his foot wrapped around Kanitah's foot. Unless they're both lying down flat against eachother, at which point there's no way the grapple would work for either of them. Rolling would be so easy that Kanitah shifting his weight would roll Fury over.

@LeeRoy

That's what's happening, the only thing resisting your character just trying to roll over is Fury's weight (which is insignificant to us) but also Fury's star-fished and pressing your character's legs down to the ground, any roll you attempt would have to come from your shoulders and hips and have to overpower Fury's leg strength. His knees are barely if at all touching the ground, though they would still probably be clenching your character's hips. His chest doesn't have to be directly on top of Kanitah's as your own arms width would increase the distance between the two characters, but this wouldn't help Kanitah punch with them, they'd still be sandwiched.

Besides which, as I've already mentioned, Fury doesn't really care about anything other than establishing a choke by which he can steal enough energy to sustain any attack Kanitah launches, while simultaneously killing him.

But regardless, though you have many options available, I think that launching an attack with your hands in that fashion is unrealistic, and maybe even impossible.

[LeeRoy]

Wait wait.

So lemme get this clear.

Fury's feet are wrapped around Kanitah's feet.

With his knees barely touching the ground outside of Kanitah's hips?

Is that what this scene entails? Because that's really, really bad for you.

[MelonHead]

Wait wait.

So lemme get this clear.

Fury's feet are wrapped around Kanitah's feet.

With his knees barely touching the ground outside of Kanitah's hips?

Is that what this scene entails? Because that's really, really bad for you.

@LeeRoy

Yes, though I should point out that trying to throw your weight to one side and roll is going to be painfully obvious to Fury, though he might not even bother stopping a roll, as with your head already locked you gain no significant advantage from being on top unless you can outmuscle him, which is increasingly unlikely as Kanitah's energy is drained.

Though I should also point out you've had countless obvious escape options available to you before this point, grappling between two super-humans on the ground should be completely down to other factors (such as Fury's energy drain) as IMO one of the biggest parts of grappling using your weight to weaken and disadvantage your opponent is just a non-issue in our fight.

Look at it this way, what do you actually gain if you roll over now? Fury will still be holding onto your head and your arms will still be crushed (because Fury can use his arms and knees to keep himself close to Kanitah, where-as Kanitah has a very limited ability to push and use his own strength. Literally all he gains is his weight on top of Fury, which neither of us would have any reason to care about.

[LeeRoy]

I've made my edits, I didn't notice the leg positioning.

[MelonHead]

'While doing this, Fury also fought with Kanitah’s legs, attempting to hook them back and out rather than allowing them to get inside and do the same to Fury, which Fury would have an advantage with being in control of the full mount.'

Fury's legs are inside Kanitah's. Kanitah is outside Fury's legs and forced open like a starfish.

[LeeRoy]

Exactly, that ruins the grapple. It gives Kanitah the ability to pull his legs inwards, and if Fury doesn't do anything about it, they're coming with them.

[MelonHead]

Exactly, that ruins the grapple. It gives Kanitah the ability to pull his legs inwards, and if Fury doesn't do anything about it, they're coming with them.

@LeeRoy

Oh, O.K, that means you're directly contending Fury's strength? Fair enough then.

[LeeRoy]

Yeah, it's a contest of strength, not some guaranteed: "Shoo, get off of me."

Though it does tend to shift weight regardless. Even if it doesn't shift the entire hold.

[MelonHead]

Honestly have no idea if that would work, but it's what I've wanted to do since starting grappling, for the power of story telling!

[LeeRoy]

I'll figure it out before I get home from work.

[LeeRoy]

After pretty thoroughly reading and rereading the post, I noticed only one thing preventing it from being possible. By suspending his upper body and giving Kanitah the freedom to roll, Fury's legs have no real resistance to Kanitah's persisting leg vice. Lifting himself info the air would have the negative effect of slamming Fury into the ground as Kanitah rolls with him.

Though Fury tried to disentangle his legs you did state that it would not work if the leg lock continued. And with the inside control that he currently has, Kanitah wouldn't release or even relinquish any of his grip.