[OOC] MT-R2: Divinity Vs DLL

[Starfall]

@Divinity

Just as coconuts are being thrown independent of the trees upon which they grew, being formed of sand is not in any way an indication that something is still rooted in sand.

[Starfall]

@Divinity

I'd also like to point out that I am not saying you have to write as much detail as @DLL does. I am however saying that you need to write enough detail that @DLL can plausibly form a response without having to ask you questions and without leaving him the opportunity to form conclusions for himself.

This is not a T1 issue it is a manners issue. And it's one that can be corrected with a few quick word insertions.

[Maquina]

It's all right, Starfall. We'll let judgment sort it out.

Though, in the interests of that clarity mentioned earlier and avoiding vagueness (I do wish quotes here had time/post stamps):

Well. If the words weren’t enough, conjuring up some sort of massive, diamondite lance-thing was certainly an indication of hostile intent. All right then – game on.

On the curve of beach facing Not-Quite-Corban, a dozen coconuts fell from a dozen palm trees in a wide arc...

Hardened by Meteor’s will, the tropical cannonballs would hit like actual cannonballs...

...Nothing immediately fatal, yet…but certainly enough to cripple and end the contest then and there, should NQCorban prove sloppy.

@DLL

[Divinity]

@Starfall
Its fair enough that javelin was perhaps not the best word, admittedly, however, that one oversight does not overshadow the many other oversights in D's own post. Nor does it justify the reasons given. And once again, these are all issues that could have been avoided when he first asked me questions about my post. It has been made very clear to me he was still confused after asking his questions, but continued anyway. Beyond that point, I am at no fault.

Secondly, writing ability is not a gauge for combat ability, and I can't find a reason why such a thing would matter at all here. My comment about comprehension was not a jab, but if his pride is hurt, feelings regenerate. The rest of my post is equally valid. It's all just physical mechanics.

Also, none of his coconuts were 'frozen' in mid-air. They were impaled, and simply stopped sliding down the length after some time. Reading comprehension skills again. I also dont believe im perfect, or insinuated such. Your needless gas-lighting here has been the only thing 'insulting' about anything that has transpired here.

Thirdly, I am not Gun. You are not my guests. Even if I was, to suggest I am not allowed to have beliefs and opinions that are unpopular to other competitors is silly.

[Starfall]

Thirdly, I am not Gun.

@Divinity

If you aren't @Gun why did you say you are in this post?

You aren't helping your credibility by lying.

[Gun]

Alright, Starfall, why are you even here? It is highly unprofessional to intervene on another fight, a tournament fight especially, to start an argument with someone you aren't facing.

If we're discussing manners then I felt that needed to be said. No one other than the combatants and judges may post in their respective fight threads. If you've something to say, there is the OOC thread.

Shawdus will make his judgment, and the match will continue(or won't) from there.

[Gun]

Also, I once owned the divinity account. It is now Corban's. I have already stated I am not participating and that remains true. Please refer to my previous post.

[Starfall]

@Divinity

I'd like to make it clear that I am not insulting your ability as a writer or as a fighter. In fact I quite enjoyed your little romp with @Shawdus and the rest of Neo-SRI can collaborate that I was very disappointed when I didn't pull you as my second round opponent. Nor has my opinion or my desire to fight you changed since the start of this conversation. I am highlighting an issue with your transparency as a writer for your sake, @DLL's sake, the competitions sake, and for the sake of any fight you may have in the future so that they may be conducted as fairly as possible.

[Starfall]

@Gun

You clearly state that you are also @Divinity right before posting the Corban profile. So given the time frame am I to understand that he is also your character?

Also I am not starting an argument I am imposing myself in a preexisting argument. As to why, because I saw a social faux pas at hand.

Additionally if @DLL no longer trusts your judgment or @Shawdus' judgment there is an entire community of veteran combatants who will no doubt be willing to lend their opinion to the topic.

[Divinity]

@Starfall
I'll take your intentions at your word. However, forgive me if I have a difficult time. All I can see is you jumping to the defense of your ally.

It is very fair to say there were miscommunications on both sides, and both of us suffered some comprehension lag. You have attempted to zero in on my perceived mistakes to alleviate the pressure from D, which is fine, but also probably not the most professional thing to do given your relation to him, and the fact this was being discussed between he and I, and you are no tournament officiator or judge. To try and tell me of my 'flaws' is not you trying to be 'fair', lets be honest here. Its an attempt at the basest form of deflection.

[Gun]

If you are referring to the multiverse RP, that was all Corban. This account is shared between three people(hence the account splits). I understand why you think what you do, but I can assure you I'm not corban/divinity. That's also why I'm not the one judging this fight, because of that exact proximity to him. Shawdus is also an impartial judge who has nothing to gain from voting in either direction here. That is why he has been promoted to judge following the end of his match (as well as ki's self-expulsion.)

He and Corban are not closely associated by any means other than amiable conversation.

[Starfall]

@Divinity

You are correct, I do have @DLL's best interests in mind. That's why I've avoided sharing my opinion on the rest of the thread. This however...

It is not my obligation to ensure you are aware of what is happening.

Is a very ignorant statement and one I've seen shared by many lazy veterans looking to bully younger players. It is also an opinion that is far below the quality of writing and tactical acumen that you displayed in the previous round. I showed up to make it very clear that this sort of thinking is absolutely unacceptable in roleplaying. No questions asked it is always your job to make sure that your opponent is aware of what is happening. That the conversation snowballed from there, well, I never did claim to be professional.

[Starfall]

@Gun

I believe @DLL explained his discomfort with @Shawdus in as political a manner as he could. I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to choose a different judge from the vast pool that RPGuild has to offer. One anonymous face is as good as another.

[Maquina]

Starfall's a fight fiend; she reads everything and loves nothing more than a right and propah throwdown, but she hates it whenever there's weird shit like this that gets in the way of said throwdown. Trust me, she ain't jumping in specifically to defend me; I've been on the receiving end of her Don't-Be-A-Dumbass backhand more'n once. She tends to be a bit more protective of me because I'm usually a very easygoing guy who's somewhat prone to being walked on by folks more ruthless than sporting, but trust me - I know exactly how the Don't-Be-A-Dumbass backhand feels.

@_@

Heh, we all know what it's like to hold strong opinions, and the nature of the game means we're all right on point for throwing them out there. I've stated my case, both IC and OOC, and will discuss with a judge anything else the judge wants clarified. There's not much more I can do before that point, but I more than understand the frustration everybody's feeling right now. It's a hot topic. If I may suggest we all adjourn it until Shawdus, or someone else, has a chance to lend a less biased opinion?

[Starfall]

@DLL

You're being lazy about receiving your Dont-Be-A-Dumbass backhand in another roleplay if memory serves.

And memory always serves.

[Divinity]

@DLL
Well spoken!

However, i am a fight fiend myself. There are no universal laws which govern RP, and the literal sense she seems to be taking my words in aren't helping either. I am not ignorant. I dont believe in handholding. This does not mean that details are allowed to be totally removed, but to imply i cannot be vague, and to imply i must post in a manner that makes it 'easier' for my opponent is a practice I am not versed in. You either know or you don't.

To imply I am forced to post in a way that stops the need to ask questions and plays to her idea of a perfect style is counter-intuitive. You should ask questions, period. I will never withhold information requested, but i am free to write with whatever flavor i so choose so long as 'vague' does not devolve into in coherency, which it is a long shot from doing.

As for the 'quality' of my posts, I'm not sure what you mean. I am writing with the exact same vigor as my fight with Shawdus. You may dislike my posts if you want. I dont write to impress others anymore.

[Starfall]

@Divinity

I pointed out one case where your coherency suffered so I do not think my advice is unfounded.

[Divinity]

@starfall
I would hardly say that suffering coherence is the same as 'incoherent'. There is a large degree of difference between writing so vaguely that absolutely nothing can be ascertained and misplacing a single detail. So... Not really?

You may keep your opinion, however. I've no need of it.

[Starfall]

@Divinity

Given that it turned into a two hour argument I would seriously recommend against ignoring my advice.

[Divinity]

@starfall
That's an incredibly one-dimensional way of looking at it. The length of this debate was caused by several factors, you being one of them, on both sides, not just that singular detail. It was not my 'incoherency' that made DLL ignorant to where the lances cane from and how they came there. My post was fine minor a single detail in the word 'javelin' over 'lance'. An error that has already been learned from.

It seems your argument hinges on me not being a perfect being, not your self-serving diagnosis of my perceived incoherency. Honestly, it is tiring me out.