ArenaSnow

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

It's hard to argue with someone resistant to using logic instead of ad hominem in debate. But eh. Now I'm just bitching in a thread for bitching.

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I think I'm about ready to commence with IC. Some bits will probably go in later, or simply be developed IC.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

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I guess saying, you're apathetic to doing it, is better than outright denying that's what's going on? Call that progress. I think the irony of people bitching at me, I'm bitching at them is not lost. Again, this started from personal opinions that we're mistaken as broad personal statements.

-Like to point out briefly- To please provide examples of this not being the case, and I'll shut up. Someone getting 4-6 people all disagreeing with them at the same time, all liking their stuff to 'validate' their own shared opinions. While actually aggressively and admitting to ignoring the other sides points while also trying to argue with them. To ANY other person on this forum. I'll wait. You won't find it. At best you might get a two on one. If you search hard enough. <.<

Again, you like everyone else I replied to answered my personal experience and countered with your own. 1000 is what I'm used to seeing. 300 I guess is somehow going to show that someone can post in advance forums, where 300 words is barely anything at all and probably doesn't remotely reflect the actual word count of a real post of the RP they'll be in. The closer the sample actually fits standards of what you're expecting, I'd have to assume that's better in general. Yes?

But again, I dropped this because I'm not going to spend anymore time on trying to explain why an opinion can't be wrong and how I reached that opinion makes perfect sense. And all being snarky assholes about such a pointless discussion makes everyone involved the very words I was criticized for using.

@SleepingSilence

Well, I suppose I'll leave it at this. Logical discourse is unlikely to occur here it seems.
-Not sure what the mysterious "it" you refer to is that I am apparently so apathetic to doing.
-I never said this was anything beyond a personal opinion. My take was to simply counter your opinion with my opinion and why it is what it is.
-I need not prove anything, considering you seem to be constantly shifting the premise. I'm just trying to present an opinion without resorting to ad hominem (though I must admit it can be fun to use it).
-You are not being countered on your points because you are simply ignoring and shifting our responses while not being very clear to present your own points.
-I didn't ask for any likes, nor have I given any likes or thanks to any posts on this conversation. As far as I'm considered, it's irrelevant to the conversation. If your intent was to present your case, you'd ignore it too.
-A sample is what you make of it. Post as many words as you like or don't.

Ah, right, back on topic. This conversation is why I think the internet is a conversation cesspool, filled with echo chambers that are usually resident in one's own head. >.>
^first passive aggressive bit from me, which I can't say about you. And, to be fair, others who have participated in this conversation.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

Oh, and about the conspiracy theory. I don't think I've ever roleplayed with any of the gents that are agreeing with me in this conversation...

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@ArenaSnow I again, have 5 people, clearly all involved with one another, trying to all repeat the same points. Instead of letting a conversation not feel like I'm getting dog-piled. I really do feel like I'm discussing politics.

So I think all four paragraphs of that can be boiled down to, "A CS isn't good enough to show their writing abilities and a thousand word sample post will somehow show how good a roleplayer that person is." So I ask, why if someone wrote ten paragraphs of backstory for their character. And it was written perfectly fine. That another thousand, will somehow make the difference?

I don't really think it will. I agree that CS's aren't perfect and often seem forced and flaw in their own ways. 100%. Though a sample post, likely the only post the GM or they will ever care enough to make sure has no mistakes. It still doesn't show if that person will remain active, or will be able to read other posts effectively. Or interact, or not have a shit fit if something goes different than they expect. Or improvising skills. Etc. etc.

Do you think it's still necessary to ask for a sample post, if they already have a back catalog? I'm asking a lot of questions here, but every single one of them, thus far has been completely bypassed. :I

@SleepingSilence

Feeling dogpiled is not my concern, and is yours alone. If you really have such a problem with multiple people not agreeing with you, you can always move to another thread. Or, I guess, you can continue to bitch about it in the bitching thread

You don't need a 1000 word sample. 300 words is typically a decent offering from me anyways and is quite enough of a sample to introduce the concept of a character, combined with a character sheet that is also not a wall of text. Neither section has to be particularly long, simply having both is more thorough. There is no 100% foolproof way to screen a player, but there are ways to reduce the chances of getting someone who won't give a damn after 5 posts.

I think a moderate size of both is optimal, CS to describe a character physically and note the experiences they draw upon, and a sample to give people a taste of the character itself.

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Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

Oh, while I'm at it. Sample writing is just about the most pointless thing on the face of the earth. (Especially, if they aren't new and already have previous posts.) Please never actually do this if you're running a campaign, you will look pretentious. Nor should you bother writing one if somebody asks you too. You're RPing to have fun. You don't/shouldn't need to write a goddamn resume.

Plus, even if you do. (like an idiot.) You'll just get some jackass to tell you after 3 weeks longer than it should of. "That your 'grammer' is off."

@SleepingSilence

A sample's relevance lies in the fundamental difference between writing and roleplaying.

Creating a character sheet is largely an act of writing, to be specific, informative writing. It is creating data, and data typically does not need much ingenuity in its presentation (speaking very generally). People can easily create long drawn sheets, even sheets of BS, that simply present information. It's you doing the presentation.

Roleplaying is a specific subset, a form of creative writing, that is dynamic. While a sample does not cover the part where a roleplayer reacts to another action, it does show people how you present your character in practice. A character sheet is theoretical about your character; the sample is literally your character. You can say, with the sample, this is how the character operates. And you can do that without writing a big wall of text about someone's backstory that may or may not ever become relevant in-character.

Going with the flow and roleplaying, ya know the best part of it. Is less likely to be the case if you have to take a test beforehand. So yes, again in my opinion. Forcing players to write a CS AND a sample post. (especially if not new/lacking in a back catalog.) Shows that person will likely NOT be able to handle something going wrong or a little different than they're expecting. Because that person is displaying controlling tendencies right off the bat. So it's not just some random insult, it's a preview of the GM's behavior. <.<

@SleepingSilence

What is a character sheet, exactly?

Character sheets can be considered "forced" all by themselves. There are character sheets that go over stuff like pets and topics that, again, may never become relevant in a roleplaying context. A CS is a static infodump unless you're one of the folks who edits your CS to accommodate character growth every 5 IC posts.

A sample gives you the opportunity to present your character as your character will be presented when the roleplay starts. Something that is more useful to a GM trying to do basic quality control than writing about the rise of your legend and your childhood when neither is likely to become relevant in the roleplay itself. Having both can serve two purposes, neither of which I would consider "controlling tendencies". Firstly, they can prove that someone gives enough of a shit to sit down and write something, a basic check many people fail off the bat. It's not perfect, but it does help weed some of the fluff. Secondly, it allows the GM to see a fleshed out character from the perspective of raw information and the perspective of the information given practical purpose.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

I wouldn't mind seeing more CS structures that have you write a practical example of your character in action. An IC tidbit, something that gives a degree of insight into the character, and acts to display what they would do better than theoretical static sheets about personality and such.

Personally, I find the ultimate test of if I care about a character or not is if I'm able to use the char in an IC context or not.

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The event you mention is known as Guildfall, and the guild's been much changed since then.

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The above kinda summarizes my thoughts. I actually looked at this years ago, and never got into it for some reason or another. It grew a little on me, but it's a wee too developed.

Indeed, it might be a good point to start compiling IC events, characters, etc into a section where one can properly learn the canon and what's open where.