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I'm aware of how awful Masked Rider was, I'm just saying there's TECHNICALLY a presence in comics you could argue for, even if it's a minimal and absolutely terrible one. I'm sure it could be used for something fun if you actually tried XD

I'm not saying OPEN THE FLOODGATES AND LET ALL OF IT IN! I'm just saying there's sufficient connection and depth that a writer doing a decent job should get the chance to have their ideas evaluated like everyone else's even if manga's their chosen medium considering the long and intertwined history of the two.
I was quiet on this earlier buuuuuut....
...Someone mentioned Kamen Rider?

EDIT: Eeesh, feel like I walked into a really awkward conversation here. ^^;


Eh, pretty sure the MOST awkward bits are over, and Gowi and Sloth bring up a good point, not every manga or anime is 'out there' and there are several properties I could legitimately see fitting in in Maximum if adapted right, especially things influenced heavily by western comics as is, which I'm also aware is a point that Rin tried to bring up before being sniggered down by exclusionists earlier on making comments about 'anime tiddies' and the inherent bizarre and clashing nature of the medium.

...Which honestly has never made sense to me since you already have a fair amount of manga/tokusatsu/japanese media influence in western comics anyway and vice versa. Most Excellent Super-Bat and the Super Young Team come to mind despite their semi-parody nature, Dum-Dum Dugan freaking fights Godzilla at a few points and then STARK International and S.H.I.E.L.D. build a giant Red Ronin Super Robot to fight him again, which gets stolen by a twelve-year-old boy. Lord Death-Man the immortal japanese crime lord originated in the Bat-Manga but he's been re-used in Western Comics since. Sonic the Hedgehog and Megaman, two characters I've seen people involved in previous Maximum stuff before express interest in, both have their roots in Japanese media and the former is a blue, supersonic talking anthropomorphic hedgehog. Hell, under the current indie comic rules, you could probably try for Avatar stuff and that's about as manga and anime influenced as you can get in western media.

As for the reverse of Manga being influenced by comics, while I could go into the history of the medium and the fact that Osamu Tezuka's stuff was all inspired by Disney Comics, I'll mostly go the route of bringing up Tiger and Bunny which is basically 'Western Superheroes exist in Japan, but they all have corporate sponsors' Kamen Rider which although it's flashy and over the top could easily be modified to fit, and the fact that both multiple comics characters and multiple comic book authors from the west have been involved in manga series of their own, some of which were actually not terrible.

and as far as the thing that brought this to my attention, Kamen Rider:
Have a Kamen Rider appearing in an official Marvel Comics publication!

Sure it only went one issue, but that's more than George Smiley got. So if Rin really wanted to use a Kamen Rider and people REALLY don't want manga and tokusatsu characters looked at on a one a one-by-one basis for acceptability, she still technically could do it.
Well now I know we can do that, I was actually maybe thinking of playing The Great Ten at some point....XD

Although I guess for the most part outside of international interactions with heroes, they'd be off in China/Asia doing their own thing...

That is if I don't give in to my current inclination and try to write Deadpool when I inevitably do a secondary.
I...also did not know you could make teams.

But now I wanna have Danny meet the X-Men as a shoutout to his semi-early, Claremont penned days! No idea how to make that happen though!
As long as you write Cyclops as he should be written:

[hider=Danny Rand A.K.A. The Immortal Iron Fist]
| Identity |
Daniel "Danny" Rand-Kai A.K.A. The Immortal Iron Fist

| Origin & Backstory |

1989-1995: Death of a Family
In 1988 Danny Rand-Kai was born to Heather Duncan Rand and businessman Wendell Rand, CEO of Rand-Meachum Inc. Danny's childhood was about as uneventful as the son of a billionaire's could be until the year he turned six years old, when his father decided to take Danny, Heather and his business partner Harold Meachum with him in search of the mythical city of K'un-Lun, though the official story was that the Rand Family and their good friend Harold were taking a pleasant vacation together at a mountain resort. Unbeknownst even to the others, Wendell Rand had been called back to K'un-L'un-secretly the place of his birth-to take up the mantle of the Immortal Iron Fist and in exchange, his family was meant to live happily forever in paradise among the immortal lords of the city.

However dark forces were set against Wendell that day, and before they could reach the safety of K'un-Lun they were attacked. Ghostly ninjas rose up from the snow to surround Meachum and the Rand family and like a corruption of the pure mountain ice itself, the shadowy form of the dark sorcerer known as Khan bled into reality before them. Khan's spectral ninjas attacked, and when Wendell proved capable of defeating them no matter the numbers they swarmed him with the enraged immortal wizard used his dark magics to bring the mountain down ontop of him, causing an avalanche that knocked Wendell and Harold off a cliff and buried Danny and his mother under an ocean of snow. The last memory Danny had before blacking out was of his father reaching out to him, thrown off a cliff by a wave of icy death.

When Danny came to, his mother had somehow managed to dig them free of the ice and was carrying him through the mountain pass, desperately searching for a way to safety. They trekked through the rocks and snow together, though eventually they began to notice they were not alone. A pack of wolves had begun stalking them. They fled blindly from their lupine pursuers through an icy haze, eventually coming upon an old and rickety bridge through what seemed to be sheer luck. Desperate for her son to get to safety, Heather begged him to run across the bridge while she held off the wolves as best she could, promising she would be right behind him. As Danny crossed however, Heather began using what was left of her mountaineering gear to destroy the bridge. Though Danny would never forget the minutes of sheer horror that happened next, some desperate force within him forced him to move on. Thus, six year old Danny Rand wound up wandering the icy slopes of the Himalayas alone, exhausted and traumatized. His last memory of that horrible period involved passing out, just in sight of a brightly burning golden gate.

When Daniel Rand next awoke, it was within the walls of the Eternal City of K'un-Lun. Its Immortal rulers had rescued him and taken him in, having been watching and waiting for his father's eventual arrival. For Danny's father Wendell was not only a native son of K'un-Lun and a man destined to be Iron Fist he was also the elder brother of the Yu-Ti, otherwise known as the August Personage in Jade, Lord of the House of Kai and ruler of K'un-Lun, making Daniel Rand-Kai a sort of prince among immortals. From that day on Danny Rand lived under the shadow of his father's past with his own future uncertain.
1995-2005: Forging of an Iron Fist

The Young Dragon-as he soon became known around the city-lived the strict but privileged life of a noble child of K'un-Lun: part ascetic monk, part scholar of lost and arcane knowledge and part warrior-in-training. The last of these was what most interested Danny, as his mind kept going back to the way his father had fought that day on the mountain slopes, and the shadowy being that had used dark magics to strike him down. As such he sought out the tutelage of Lei-Kung the Thunderer, the immortal weapon master and martial arts instructor of K'un-Lun. Lei-Kung's teachings were brutal and demanding but extremely effective, designed to be enlightening for mind, body and spirit alike and despite constant mockery and isolation from his fellow students due to his outsider status, Danny worked harder than anyone to master every task the Thunderer put before him.

Naturally though all of them trained harder than would ever be expected of children, for each of them harbored the same dream: To one day defeat the fearsome dragon Shou-Lao the Undying, a massive, reincarnating fire breathing dragon whose heart had long ago been ripped from his body and lay still beating in a mystically sealed brazier. For whoever defeated Shou-Lao and claimed his power in order to became the next Immortal Iron Fist, greatest martial artist in the world and champion of K'un-L'un. For ten years Danny trained towards that goal, honing his body into a living weapon the likes of which surprised even the Yu-Ti and Danny's fellow students. Thus when the time came for a tournament to decide who would face Shou-Lao, sixteen year old Daniel Rand-Kai emerged victorious, earning a right that most of those around him still thought would be his death sentence.

When the awaited morning arrived, Danny entered the depths of Shou-Lao's cave as the masses of K'un-Lun watched and faced down a giant, fire-breathing dragon with his bare hands. It was a difficult struggle, for Shou-Lao had the cunning of endless lifetimes in addition to his fire and the animal strength of his body, but eventually Danny was able to find an opening and grapple with the beast, covering the burning, dragon-shaped scar that fed it the mystical energies of its own disembodied heart. What came after was the most difficult part, a test of the will and spirit that came in the form of searing, agonizing pain at contact with the dragon's burning flesh and scalding blood. But Danny endured, earning a dragon-shaped brand on his chest for his troubles before Shou-Lao ultimately collapsed, enabling Danny to plunge his fists again and again into the burning brazier containing Shou Lao's molten heart to kill the beast and fuse their essences together in the same instant. Thus, with the dragon slain a new Iron Fist was born!

2005: A New Life
Despite subsequently being offered an eternal life among the people of K'un-Lun, Danny knew that his new powers and skills were meant for more than defending his adopted home. Instead he would need to return to the mortal world in search of Khan, the being of darkness responsible for the destruction of his childhood life. Following the sage advice of his uncle the Yu-Ti, Danny decided to begin his search and reacquaint himself with the world by returning to his childhood home in New York City and using the resources of his father's vast Rand Incorporated company to search for signs of Khan's influence on Earth while learning how to live in the modern world. Unbeknownst to Danny, Lei-Kung and the Yu-Ti had already begun prepping the way for their protege and a story was concocted that ensured the young Danny Rand who had died tragically in the mountains ten years ago would soon be rediscovered very much alive at the age of sixteen.

Since then Danny has returned to New York as one of its' richest teenagers under the legal guardianship of Harold Meachum's adult daughter Joy and has even begun attending school in an attempt to become re-accustomed to modern life. However, he also secretly patrols the underworld of New York City, searching its' every dark corner for news of the Cult of Khan while also trying to channel his traumas into something positive and constructive.

| Attributes |
Martial Arts-First and foremost despite his young age Daniel Rand-Kai is one of the greatest martial artists on Earth, taught by masters with an immortal lifetime of experience with methods that would seem impossible to ordinary men. He is a master of all of the martial arts of K'un-Lun and many of the martial arts of Earth, including styles of fighting that have been unknown to most mortals for thousands of years. More mundanely he is a master of Ninjutsu, Jujitsu, Aikido, all forms of Shaolin Kung Fu, Karate, Judo, Boxing and even informal street-fighting techniques. He has complete mastery of nearly all martial arts weaponry and weapon styles, and is skilled enough at pressure point techniques to effectively use them against superhuman opponents and even beings whose physiology is completely inhuman.

Chi Manipulation and Augmentation-due to his training in K'un-Lun, Danny is able to manipulate his chi to enhance his strength, speed, reflexes, durability, endurance, agility and senses to superhuman levels, although doing this usually takes some concentration and leaves him greatly drained afterward. As an extension of this, Danny can also sense the flow of Chi in the world around him if he concentrates, occasionally including the auras of others and subtle interweavings with other types of energy.

Chi of Shou-Lao-Thanks to plunging his fists into the molten heart of the legendary dragon Shou-Lao the Undying, Danny can call upon the dragon's immense and powerful chi and focus it into his fist. While this is primarily used for his signature Iron Fist ability, Danny has occasionally been able to utilize the Chi of Shou-Lao to heal himself and others in times of great desperation and it may have other functions as well, unknown to him. Danny's main usage is focusing the Chi of Shou Lao into his hands in order to make them practically invulnerable and capable of striking with massive concussive force. Although "Becoming like a thing of Iron" is how it was phrased in ancient K'un-Lun, the Iron Fist technique is capable of easily shattering or shredding through iron, steel and much harder and denser substances with relative ease. What's more, Danny can focus more of Shou-Lao's chi into his fists for stronger strikes and has yet to reach his maximum power with the Iron Fist.

Meditation and Body Control-Thanks to meditative exercises learned in K'un-Lun Danny is able to exercise complete mastery over his body, enabling him to control his breathing and heartbeat well enough to slow them to a state indistinguishable from death, deaden himself to all pain, greatly slow the effects of drugs and toxins on his body, go days without sleep and adapt himself to a wide variety of environments with relative ease.

Peak-Human conditioning-Danny's incredibly intensive training in K'un-Lun means that his body is trained and conditioned to the peak potential of an unassisted human, making him just short of a Steve Rogers-level of physically fit even without the use of his chi.

Acrobatics-As part of his training in K'un-Lun, Danny was honed into a highly skilled acrobat, enabling him to maneuver through environments as diverse as the mountainous slopes outside K'un-Lun, the twisted jungles of the H'ylthri and the urban sprawl of New York city with equal ease, speed and grace.

Stealth-Though not as skilled as some, Danny's mastery of ninjutsu includes training in the arts of concealment, deception and stealth.

Multi-Lingual-Danny is fluent in numerous languages and dialects used throughout China, as well as American English and Japanese.

Some Knowledge of the Occult-For someone who professes to totally lack any interest in or aptitude for magic Daniel Rand-Kai possesses a surprising amount of knowledge regarding the mystic arts, supernatural lore and arcane secrets mankind is typically not meant to know. However, Danny himself will swear-up-and-down that he's hardly an expert in such matters, instead insisting that growing up in the high society of K'un-Lun necessitates a basic understanding of such things.

| Character Notes |





| Character Goals |
I want to successfully weave Iron Fist into the Maximum Comics universe while also drawing on his lore to create stories that are well-crafted and self-aware while staying true to the character's Wuxia and Kung-Fu B-Movie influences in a way that's fun to write and to read. I may play through pre-established Iron Fist arcs, but I also want to try a slightly different take on the character than I normally use involving a much younger and more inexperienced Iron Fist dealing with a legacy and past history he doesn't yet understand that hopefully can be explored over time. Overall though I still want to collaborate with everyone to have a fun time, make something cool and expand the Maximum Comics universe for the better, especially where its' martial artists are concerned.

| References |








New York City,
around 6:00 PM, March 20th, 2005


Danny Rand-Kai could feel the qi of this city: a murky, pulsing, constantly shifting thing that felt gritty, strange and just...alien.

This was not his city, this wasn't even his world anymore, and the gleaming metal spears that were the buildings stabbing the sky with cars whizzing by underneath in a grating cacophony of horns and breaks and curses only served to contrast against his memories of K'un-Lun with its graceful architechture and pristine surroundings. K'un-Lun, his home since the age of six, a bubble of frozen time that had suddenly popped and left him stranded in this unfamiliar modern world with its' endless swarms of people rushing about in the blind frenzy of speed that only those who truly know mortality aspire towards. Danny supposed he had no one to blame for his feelings of loss and discomfort but himself, though. After all, he had chosen this path, chosen to give up paradise, eternal life, the love and adoration and peace of K'un-Lun....

For revenge. It was a path he alone could walk, for he had taken up the mantle of the Immortal Iron Fist: the Living Weapon, a title that should rightly have belonged to his father before his untimely death, that of a warrior who fought alone as a burning light against an eternal storm of dark-

"EVERYBODY WAS KUNG-FU FIGHTING!"
THOSE KICKS WERE FAST AS LIGHTNING!"~


*sigh*

His cellphone ringtone was probably Joy's idea of a joke, and even though it grated on Danny, defeating a dragon was nothing compared to trying to figure out how to reprogram the thing. The instant interruptions of cell phones were exactly the sort of thing he hated about this modern world and-

"IN FACT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT"-

*Click*

"Go for Danny Rand, majority shareholder and future CEO of Rand Incorporated."

Joy's laughter on the other line brightened his mood significantly, even if he had to admit it wasn't really productive to his current train of thought.

"Very funny Danny, but we both know the day you have my job is the day the company goes under! Anyways, just calling to let you know that we're going to have to reschedule dinner, this whole meeting's running late but I'm dealing with some pretty important clients that I can't exactly walk out on. You gonna be alright taking care of yourself for the night?"

It had been Joy's idea to start having dinners together at the end of the day, maybe to try and give things a sense of routine, normality, even family. That's what she was trying to be, he supposed, some cross between a mother and an older sister ever since she'd been named as his guardian. It wasn't like they weren't close in their own way, considering Joy had known him since he was in diapers and she and her father had known his parents even before that. If anything they'd only grown closer due to the fact that both of them had lost their parents in those mountains-

He forced himself to respond before he started remembering.

"Yeah, I'm sure I'll be fine, I'll figure something out."

"Okay, if you say so. Oh, and before I forget make sure to get out of the penthouse, experience the city a little! It's not good for you to just sit in your room brooding all day, Danny. After all, you're only sixteen! You need to live a little!"

*Click!*

Danny took a moment to gaze out the window at the skyline and the bustling city below. His father's city. Maybe he had gotten a little too distracted and grim lately, forgotten who he really was and why he was here.

"Experience the city and...live a little...huh?"




Chinatown
March 20th, 2005
7:30 PM


"KILL HIM, KILL HIM, KILL HIM, KILL HIM!!!~

Okay, so an illegal underground fighting arena beneath a run down Chinatown restaurant prooobably wasn't the side of the city Joy was hoping he'd experience, but the Young Dragon had to admit for the first time in a while he definitely felt like he was living.

Besides, it felt good to be back in the traditional masked garb of the Iron Fist, dragon symbol plain on his chest, wailing on criminal scum in hopes of fighting well enough to secure an audience with the mob boss known as Chiantang. Because in addition to being one of the most established tong leaders around, The Black Dragon was well known to Danny as a literal, actual dragon in disguise and one of the most well-connected figures when it came to the hidden subcultures where mysticism and martial arts intersected.

The bloody faced, stony skinned man-mountain before him went by the name of Six Elephant Jiang and was his tenth opponent of the night, and if at first both he and the crowd had looked hesitant and amused at the sight of a short-for-sixteen blue-eyed white kid in the garb of a legendary warrior, well, several successive cash injections and the way he was quickly becoming a betting favorite ensured that there were plenty more to come.

But Danny had let himself get overconfident. Before he knew what was happening the mass of muscle that was Jiang had recovered from his latest Thunderfoot Kick to the face and picked him off the ground in a death grip that reinforced the suggestion that he wasn't entirely human. Specifically, boosting his body's durability with qi was only just preventing all of his ribs and the organs in between from being ground into a fine paste and his efforts at kicking out of it or reversing were about as effective as an ant trying to wrestle an actual elephant. If he wanted to avoid dying, there was only one thing to do.

Danny searched deep within himself, deep within his very being, and called upon the fiery Qi of Shou-Lao. Though it was still nearly pinned against the giant of a man, his right fist began to glow...to smolder...to burn.

Until Daniel Rand-Kai hit a man twice his size with a One-Inch-Punch that was Like A Thing of Iron. The impact blew the man off his feet...and through the ropes of the ring...and into a few unlucky audience members...and three inches deep into the concrete arena wall.

The bloodthirsty crowd that had been roaring for death just moments before fell silent and then, the whispers began:

"The real Iron Fist?...the kid's the real deal?...I thought the costume was a joke...Nobody's ever beaten Six Elephant Jiang...If it's the real Iron Fist he's been scamming all of us!...If he's the real Iron Fist he'll try and punish us all..."

"THE KID'S THE REAL IRON FIST! KILL HIM!

Then waves of humanity rushed at Danny like an angry tsunami.



March 20th 2005,
The same arena,
9:00 PM


"EVERYBODY WAS KUNG FU FIGHTING!~"
"THOSE KICKS WERE FAST AS LIGHTNING!
IN FACT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT FRIGHTNING!
BUT THEY FOUGHT WITH-"


*click*

From atop his seat on what was less of a pile and more of a small hill of unconscious kung fu gangsters, a slightly more battered Danny Rand-Kai answered the phone.

"Yeah, hi Joy. Oh no, no need to worry about me, I'm doing just fine. Yup, I decided to go get some takeout. Um...yeah, Chinese-" his foot lashed out at a figure that started to stir without actually bothering to stand "-food. The owners were pretty friendly, it's been a nice time. D'you want anything? Well, alright then. It's fine, I understand. I'll see you in the morning before school."

So much for a lead on his revenge, but if nothing else Danny was certainly feeling more at home. Maybe New York City wasn't so bad after all. Besides, from what he'd heard the legitimate front for this place had some pretty badass pork dumplings.

Then he felt it, thrumming across battle-senses still heightened from his melee with the street-fighters. An aura of qi of massive potential power, wild, barely-masked and restrained like a bonfire in the night or music in a soundproofed room. It resonated with him, despite coming from above ground and apparently...from the direction of the Bronx? Regardless It was a savage, bestial aura that Iron Fist was absolutely sure could only have its' origins in one place.

K'un-Lun.

Danny hopped off the pile of twitching, concussed thugs with a grin.

"Look, guys I hate to beat up and run, but something's just come up. So uh, just stay right there, and when some of you are capable of moving again do me a favor and tell the Big Boss that the Immortal Iron Fist is in New York City. Got it? Great."

Martial arts action, occult secrets, sudden and endless mysteries...

Maybe K'un-Lun and New York weren't so different after all.
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right, putting this here again for a moment with the potential finishing edits made in case the other version didn't take.
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I'll pop by the chats if it'll help, but that place is straaaaange...
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