Fillet

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@Tulpa
No, I'm not offended by what you said in reply to me. Since you are about blunt honesty I shall come out and say that you were exceedingly and unnecessarily rude to @RabidAnubis who heretofore has shown self-awareness about their ignorance on the topic and has been been very respectful in asking his/her questions to you, as you are, apparently, quite a matter-of-fact representative of the trans-community. I find it ironic that the only person who has been throwing heavy insults around and misunderstanding posts is you.

I suggested to be done with the topic as I started it, and I thought it polite to say, as the OP, I'm happy to end it; in meaning I am bowing out of the discussion, and whether or not other people do so is their choice, obviously.

In other words, I don't want you to misunderstand that I cannot comprehend the lives of trans or summat the other of being against the trans community, that as such I cannot have a conversation with you about this topic. But it is that based on your post history and how you've behaved in this thread, you are a massive self-righteous jerk that I feel I cannot have a civil intellectual discussion about a matter that requires a delicate balance of respect and transfer of knowledge.

And btw, I am a part of the LGBT community, so please don't think I'm yet another hetero arsehole who's pitchforking you.

Good luck with your life. :)

(I looked up your post history to ascertain your general tone in text.)

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

This is probably the most positive thing posted on this thread...

BUT

I want to say that I'm proud to be counted as a member of a group that is able to have respectful, intelligent discussions about gender.

Way to go, guis.

@Sypherkhode822

Spoke too soon, didn't you? :P Heh, smh.

I think the transgender topic can be closed now. I'm glad I brought it up for what some users articulated helped to broaden my views; at the same time it's clearly not a topic that some others can have a civil conversation about without going into personal attacks and twisting the meaning and words of what they're replying to.

Let's move on to something else, or this will not end well.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer

I think this would be a hard show to do an RP of.

My idea would be us trying rebuild the Watchers (with Giles leading, of course) with hundreds of new Slayers running around.

Edit: At the end of Angel a literal Dragon attacks LA, so what if that blows the cover on all of the weird stuff in the world. People panic, start hunting demons and vampires, and few of them actually do anything useful. The Initiative starts back up, though under the UN, and the Watchers (Giles, Wesley and their new inductee Alexander Harris), go public with the existence of the Slayers to try and calm people down. Books on magic, demonology, etc become the new best selling books, and people around the world start getting involved in this new world. We would try to help fix the mass panic all of this caused, but we'd be a wide range of people from all around the world.

@TheUnknowable

So, guns?

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@Tulpa I don't mean to be offensive by anything I say, I'm just a bit confused as well.

You mention that these worlds are fantasy, and that in these worlds people who are transgender should not be persecuted because it is fantasy. I can understand that.

However, sense these worlds are fantasy couldn't everyone simply be born with the same sex and gender? I understand how many people play characters similar to themselves. However if you were born male but were of female gender (IRL) wouldn't the best representation be to simply play female? Sense, essentially, you are female?

Everything obviously is up to GM decision, but why as a player would you want to play transgender? Isn't the ultimate goal of transgenderism to be the other gender without a problem? (Not discussing lighter forms of transgenderism, like cross-dressing)

The only reason I can see playing as a transgender character is if you believe the transgender experience is different somehow from being cis gendered at a fundamental level. In which case, wouldn't that make it an issue?

@RabidAnubis

What I was trying to get at too. At the same time, I recognise what @Strawberry425 said.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@January Good points, you knew what I was getting at and made fair explanations that resolved my problem. Thanks. I'll do that.

@Tulpa What January said. :D

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@Fillet

I'm glad you brought this up. I have experienced similar complaints and it has bothered me for a long time. I am very close with the trans community and I can for a fact speak on this matter.

I really hate when people say that trans people always have to be suffering psychologically, or victims or social outcasts or all of the code-words that basically really mean freaks. We are not freaks - we are just normal people like you. Our gender is just different from our sex. That's it! We all have different types of personalities, tastes and interests. None of us like to be victims of bullying. We didn't choose this. Why would anyone choose to be victim of violence and bullying?

We write in the realm of fantasy. We already go through enough tribulations on a daily basis in real life. Why do we have to drag that with us into our fantasy? Who are you to say that is who we are? In fantasy, it sometimes doesn't even make sense to even do that depending the setting. In fact, I think this attitude is very transphobic and projects a stereotype about us that simply isn't true. Your statements in itself are very destructive to the LGBTQ rights movement, which any reasonable person will know is the right way to go. What do people with similar attitudes mean by "describing the process"? Do want our characters to take hormone pills and go to the doctor to talk which medical procedures they want done in the IC? Why are we obligated to do that?

In real life, we are constantly put on the defensive to justify who we are on the inside. We are told that this a choice, a lifestyle, that we are it's and not real people, that our lives are worthless or that we'll just "grow out of it." I really want to know why it's our obligation to drag all of that negativity into our fantasy with us. Why does it even bug some people? It effects nothing unless the trans character in question goes around and flashes their genitals to people.

This is the inconvenient truth.

WHO WE ARE IS NOT A TREND. IT IS NOT A CHOICE.

People who perceive trans as a "trend" are just people who haven't been exposed to it before. There always has been and always will be transgender people, and therefore there will always be transgender characters! If I were to write out a trans character, I do it my own way. I want them to be strong and good. I don't want them to be a victim. As a person in the LGBTQ community, I have a question.

WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO JUSTIFY OUR IDENTITY AND THE IDENTITIES OF OUR OWN CHARACTERS?

In some settings I can understand why someone would want a history, BUT WE SHOULD NEVER BE FORCED TO DEFEND OUR CHARACTERS JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE TRANSGENDER.

If you want to understand how our characters got to where that are, that's reasonable DEPENDING on the setting of the RP. But forcing our characters to be victims, or having to explain their transition medically or just defending their transgenderism IS NOT RIGHT.

@Tulpa

I can see what you're saying. You want your character to be treated equally. Fair enough. I don't understand why then the character needs to be mentioned they're trans-male or trans-female if their transgenderism is not going to at all affect their character like what you want. Just as I make a male character whose sexual orientation isn't going to affect their character or storyline, I don't see a need to mention it; or, really, anything that's not significant and in play. Because from what I'm getting from your post, it sounds like it is worth a mention but the character, being treated like say, a male char, then is simply a male char in essence and the chars would be written as exactly a male char. (Except for one that I saw whose transgenderism actually helped to shape other parts of the char.) Them being trans doesn't come into play or in interactions, since they will be treated as male by everybody necessarily anyway, like you said. I'm not saying it isn't important and so just remove the trans-mention. I'm saying since it's significant, I'm not understanding how it comes into a story from the group rps I've seen. That is, are you saying someone can and should write a trans-person in the application, just to label the gender as trans, and in IC do every bit as they would a cis-male or -female anyway? I'm clarifying your point.

Btw, I didn't at all say they need to be victims. But in a magical or post apocalyptic world or a survival rp - basically reality based rps or not-high sci fi - I don't see how it's unreasonable for a trans-char to justify their continuous journey if food and water etc are significant problems for the chars in the games.And I didn't at all say their journey is negative. Please don't shadow my words with what you've come across from other people.

And on my phone, apologies for not deleting the quote. And double apologies for rambling on somewhere. I wanted to reply before I head off.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

I see characters that are supposed to be trans-male or -female. And yet despite this significant character feature, players don't seem to include the day-to-day necessity that defines a trans-person, namely the therapy they must always go through or how they see the world and the world treats them. It looks like trans is a feature people just add on, and it bugs me because their posts mention nothing about being trans and its processes, whether psychologically or physiologically (esp if it's in a magical world or a post-apocalyptic city); it's as if it's become a trendy thing to try on for size. It bugs me because it is a valid character to play, but people don't seem to consider its consequences.

Harry Potter: 2017-2018

In the silent library, Giles walked with a purpose past the few upper year Ravenclaws, who had tomes piled high on their tables, towards the musty section at the back. He searched the tall laden bookshelves, then picked out the thick, dusty volume of A History of Hogwarts: The Special Millenia Edition in lieu of more outdated versions. The boy held the large book in both hands and sat at an empty table away from any prying eyes. He flipped over the hard cover and traced a finger down the long list of contents before turning to page 2306; barely had he started squinting at the small font when he was startled by a sudden voice. “Chapter 145: The Sorting Hat,” the disembodied man began, sounding terribly bored and loud in the still air.

Angry footsteps immediately quickened towards him. Giles closed the book - it continued reciting, muffled - and was about to make for the shelves with it when the withered, thin librarian appeared, glaring at him down her hooked nose. Her black robes billowed in her haste like ominous wings. She did not look kindly or helpful from the stories his parents had told him of her. “Perhaps,” Madam Pince hissed, brandishing her wand and the book quieted, “you would like to follow the rules on the first day of school.”

A nearby sign on the wall read: Magical talking books must be muted in the library.

Giles bit his tongue to hold in a protest and apologised instead, embarrassed, “I’m sorry, I’ll be more careful next time.”

Madam Pince looked at him intently, dark eyes roamed over his features and down his robes, like she was trying to recognise him. The boy gazed back, not the least daunted, and smiled. “My parents have frequently spoken fondly of you, Madam Pince,” he said to jolt her memory. “They send their regards.”

“Oh… yes… of course,” she nodded as realisation dawned on her. “You’ve grown since the Christmas card they sent me. You will not find what you’re looking for in this book, Mr Kingston,” At his look of surprise, she said, “You are not the first to seek a house transfer. Unfortunately, you'll find that the Sorting Hat is always correct and the rules of the Sorting unyielding. If you wish to read the regulations yourself, tap the book with your wand and say silencio to mute it.”

“Thank you.”

She left him with a word of advice: “It is not the house you’re in that would make your parents proud of you. Give them my best.”

Giles watched Madam Pince disappear round some shelves; her words were puzzling to the eleven year old. He looked down at the dull title and, with a certain determination, pulled out his wand.

* *

Sunset hues spilled through the great windows to colour the long arched corridor. With a heavy heart Giles was heading towards the Gryffindor tower. He paused in his step for his eye had caught a reflection in the pane that, for a moment, he thought he saw his father. Many of their family friends had commented they looked alike. Giles touched the scarlet and gold satin on his robes that was supposed to have been blue and bronze, like what the portraits wore that adorned home or his parents’ oversized robes he used to put on in the attic. It wasn’t supposed to be like this. He grimaced, feeling incongruent, and the reflection looked as if it was his father wearing it with a disapproving stare.

Their letter will arrive tomorrow, Giles thought morosely, expecting disappointment in their tone. ”My decision stands,” the Sorting Hat had said and from what he had read, Madam Pince was right. He sighed, the pane misted, and drew a smiley face with a wizard’s hat to cheer himself up. It jigged up and down in the seconds it had, which cracked a smile over the boy’s face.

Murmurs and a couple of thumps echoed faintly from down the corridor. Giles turned to see a few students around his age trickle into a side room. ”The study club!” he remembered excitedly as a brilliant idea struck him. ”If I do extremely well in school, they will see that I belong in Ravenclaw!” Hero, a fellow Gryffindor, had casually mentioned an open invitation in the common room earlier that day, so it was with gladness that Giles walked briskly into the room.

“Hello,” he greeted the crowd warmly, taking in the varied members of the group with confidence and ease. “Here for the study club. I’m Giles Kingston, first year, nice to meet everybody.”

X-COM Eternal War

Sorry, gonna skip this.

X-COM Eternal War

T_T Yes.