Dark Wind said
If we are talking certain things, not so much might be correct. However, there are still things there. For example, when it comes to the discussion of maternity leave, the stats are pretty skewed. Very few men leave their jobs for this, while a much higher percentage of women do. Something worth looking into.
And as I've said before, a big thing feminism today is fighting for is not for female domination, but for equality on a social level.
I realize there are still issues for women here like maternity leave.
I wasn't trying to say there wasn't, but those things have been listed and argued for millions of times now.
But the issues facing men are largely ignored or brushed off, so I felt specific need to bring those up when the topic was about if we're feminist or not and why.
As for feminism = Gender equality.
This leads me to one big question right off the bat. If this is true why is it called
feminism?
Other than that, I'd argue simply looking at feminist today that seems to be pretty split down the middle.
You've got plenty of those who do want gender equality, and plenty who don't.
Hell I've been called "The reason feminism still needs to exist" simply for saying that I was a humanist.
Dark Wind said
Women are still the lesser gender in terms of rights globally. But, we are primarily focusing on 1st world countries. I definitely don't believe it as an issue that plagues men and women equally. Socially, women face more systemic oppression than men. I do agree that men face prejudices, but it's not quite the scale that women face. Especially if we talk about sexual intercourse and the stigmas a very sexually active woman faces from men AND women alike. Or that a lot of insults that we use in the english language are associated with… women.
Gender inequality, women have the short end of the stick. Don't misunderstand me. Gender roles harms both men and women, however the roles of men are favorable in comparison. Fighting against the gender roles of women would successfully free men from their roles as well, no?
Globally yes, but individually you've got the 3rd world countries where it's still a big issue. Then 1st world countries where for many of them it's not an issue.
You can't just say "Globally women are treated like less" and then address every country like that's an issue.
That's like saying "Globally people are starving" and then solving that by starting food drives and charities for Americans.
You need to look at area's in a case by case basis.
Also like I said above, I agree there are issues women still face. I never argued this, but there are also male issues.
And at least with women issues the majority of people are agreeing they're treated unfairly and working to fix it.
Men and their issues? Not so much... Many people just think of it as silly, or that somehow fighting for men's rights is sexist against women.
You're half-right in saying fighting against women gender roles will help men. It would help by extension some men issues.
But Ultimately all it does is make women accepted into everything, and men simply more commonly filling in the blank.
Rather than say both men and women being accepted into everything.
Dark Wind said
This would be a good thing. Representation of women in the media is awful because it also hurts men.
Yes, this would be a good thing.
I was trying to say "Yes, women would be helped. This is good. But let's not get so caught up in it that we forget all about the men".
Dark Wind said
And feminism, I mean actual feminism, agrees that these things should be fought against. A man is laughed at for reporting rape… Why do you think that is? It is most likely because of gender expectations that women are "weaker" and could not possibly rape a man. You won't get an argument with me on these things. I am feminist, egalitarian, etc. Many things. And it's not necessarily men always providing for the family. Women as a breadwinner or sole breadwinner are on the rise. So the expectation of men to provide for the family has gone down. And still, many of these problems stem from the gender expectations of women, which damage men in these ways, no?
This is the same arguments you've made above, so I'm simply give the same responses again.
You're right in that cultural expectations on men is going down, but you can say the same for women.
Both are getting better, but neither have reached the end yet. Both of them still need pushing and help to get there.
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