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Armies aren't cheap to maintain. This applies especially to medieval times.
Upkeep is seasonal, so keep that in mind when you have an army.
Finished. Sorry for taking so long.
I as well plan to bring back my old nation. Could I reserve my past location (or similar location) as well?
Well, that was quite unnecessary. All I really want is to back up your historical concerns properly especially when you call things silly or unrealistic. After all, I only expressed my opinion (and asked for clarification on some points) on this matter just like how you expressed yours. Also, if alliances don't affect the RP in a major way, then something is very wrong. However, if you're concerned about breaking the RP, then bring that up with Outcast. There really doesn't have to be dozens of pages because of one concern when it can be resolved with a few PMs.
Can I ask, what negative feelings in the first place you are talking about? I came to realize that I don't remember a point where the two went to war out of hate. The invaison of Korea seemed to be out of ambition. Also, if the two did really dislike each other, then how come toyo rentai ron was seriously considered by the Japanese bakufu with numerous statesmen and intellectuals supporting an alliance between Japan and China due to the encroaching West and especially the Russians attempting to exert influence. I don't understand how you can claim that the two had a horrible relationship at this point and that the alliance is unrealistic. Wouldn't it make sense to team up with someone to deal with the greatest threat to you (Russia in this case)? I mean using your logic. Shouldn't the Japanese and the US hate each other still after WW II? Of course, that's not the case. Times change and so do priorities. It's just that in this RP, Japan has changed its priority in a fairly realistic manner based in what I know about the political atmosphere in Japan during this time.
The Nexerus said
The signing of the treaty did not signify a warming of relations, but an exit from total isolationism. It was a symptom of the Meiji Restoration, not an indicator of Sino-Japanese brotherly love. All nations that are not hermit states have formalized contact with their neighbours, whether their neighbours are their allies, or, in this case, their traditional enemies.


Even if it didn't signify warming relations. I don't see how you could possibly make that claim. Not having warm relations does not mean that they dislike each other. Also, sure. They were traditional enemies, but then there was the two century long period of isolation. Plus, the events during that time helped the Qing assume power as well. So once again, I don't see how you can claim that the relation between the two were cold during this time especially with the concept of to yo rentai ron (East Asian Alliance) was prevalent among the Japanese statesmen in this time period.
And yet, you claim "the two nation's governments and citizens hold each other in contempt, and any amount of warmness between them". That's the thing that I'm trying to correct.
The Nexerus said
The China-Japan alliance is purely a machination of OOC negotiations; the two nation's governments and citizens hold each other in contempt, and any amount of warmness between them (much less a full fledged alliance) is unrealistic. Should they be as hostile towards each other as they would be if this were during or after the SIno-Japanese wars? Obviously not, but they definitely shouldn't be warm neighbours.


I wouldn't make the assertion that relations are cold at this point in time. The main point of contention that led to the conflict was the land disputes, which even then didn't cause major diplomatic issues until China sent an army into Korea to crush a rebellion. Japan saw this as a landgrab, and thus the Sino-Japanese War started. Hell, the Tokugawa and Qing didn't have much diplomatic interaction at this point yet. The only interaction they really had was mainly indirect through trade. The only reason that Qing-Meiji relations started to deteriorated was due to numerous interventions in Korea, Formosa, and etc. from both sides from the 1870's and on. Even then, the two signed a friendship treaty in 1871.
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