IncredibleBee

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Even before the Dragonslayer, yes. I have read past the Band of the Hawk. :P

But when your lower bound for necessary enhanced durability is to match the sword swinging (if you're going to actively retaliate) you don't need a massive ability to absorb damage.

@Raineh Daze

But you'd need to absorb large amounts of force it you're going to block the Dragonslayer.

Actually, even if the sword didn't shatter, you'd need to be amazingly strong to keep your arms from giving out, and even if you did block, you'd get knocked around a decent distance.

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Corundum is brittle; it's like hitting diamond. It will break. What you need is something about as resilient to force/cutting as a seven-ish foot long iron blade. Given the forces magic weapons tend to be required to endure, it's not that unlikely.

@Raineh Daze

Well, Guts has also cut through multiple soldiers clad in steel armor, or several magic enhanced tigers, or several magic enhanced alligators, all in one swing. My point is, he can hit hard.

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More like needing to press two buttons--but you can only reach one at a time. If the magic exists in the same place as the physical, you have to be able to cut the physical to cut the magic. If the enchantment puts the weapon beyond something Guts can cut through sheer force, the weapon's integrity won't be compromised.

@Raineh Daze

Yeah, but in that case it would need to boost the weapon's durability to unbelievable levels. Guts smashed corundum during one fight.

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@IncredibleBee: I don't mean just that. A fair amount of characters wield unique magic weaponry that can't be replaced. That's a line that isn't allowed to be crossed, completely destroying a character's ability to fight is a problem.

If it can destroy those then it does need restraining in some form.

@VitaVitaAR

Sundering weapons is unsurprisingly common in Berserk, considering the sheer size of Guts' sword. If a melee weapon were to survive a direct blow, it would need to either
A) Be made of some ridiculously strong, possibly otherworldly material. A Devil Arm from DMC would fit this description. So would Samurai Jack's sword, adamantium and vibranium weaponry, and similar.
B) Be just as ludicrously large as the Dragonslayer. The sword uses its extreme mass to attack, as such you'd require an equally large weapon to defend properly. A good example would be Cloud's buster sword; it's roughly the same size and estimated weight.

If you were blocking a blow with something other than a melee weapon, you're probably already screwed, because Guts is as melee as it gets.

Jury's still out on weapons whose endurance was increased via enchantment; I'm discussing that as we speak.

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The last word I'll say on the matter of the Dragonslayer is to get its limitations.

@VitaVitaAR

It's restricted to melee range.

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But whilst it can simultaneously cut two separate things, the different parts would be supporting one another--you can't cut the magic unless you can cut the physical, and you can't cut the physical unless you can cut the magic. If the magic simply amplifies the physical effects, you can't cut either, and you'd get a stalemate.

@Raineh Daze

If the antimagic effect is engaged by cutting stuff, then the Dragonslayer is attacking both the magic and the physical at the same time. Thus, both items collapse simultaneously. It's like a door that's opened by two button presses at the same time.

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There's actually one thing that's the problem, though, from the example I've been thinking about: what if something IS magical, but the magical effect is simply making it physically more durable? I've not been proposing that magic makes something inherently undamageable. More a 'is it ignoring the magic'.

I think we've been arguing over two separate points.

@Raineh Daze

Well in that case the increased physical endurance is a side effect of the magic. Since the Dragonslayer cuts through magical stuff, the item would be relying solely on its own physical durability, and if that weapon is a common weapon made of common materials, it wouldn't hold out for more than one hit.

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That's not clear at all. It goes beyond the realm of "Well, this can hurt things that would be immune to a plain steel sword" to a conclusion that only makes sense with an unstated assumption of Berserk cosmology, how magic functions interacting with said cosmology, and further implications when tossing random magical effects at people.

It's a bit of a jump from being able to cut through something that would ignore a mundane weapon to being able to negate magic spells and cut through enchantments.

@Raineh Daze

It's actually rather simple inference. Ganishka's projection during the dock fight right before the boat was made of magic. Guts hurt that by stabbing it with the Dragonslayer. Now, spells and enchantments are also made of magic. Therefore, cutting it with the Dragonslayer will produce the same effect.

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@IncredibleBee: I have actually explicitly nerfed Dlanor so that her weapon does not work in that way. I did not see Cinder Fall being able to destroy anything and if that is the case then I must have misread. Kiba's abilities were not listed as he has described recently him and that is one of the problems I have with his current playing, Misaka's gun is still capable of being defended against, and Kakine still has limitations that are the only reason I accepted him.

My issues with how you are playing the Dragonslayer are that you seem to believe it instantly destroys any magic at all, and that the explanation you have used to justify this does not make sense. Not that it can harm or deflect magic.

If it really comes down to it, fine, I'll edit what she said or something.

@Earnest Evans: If that's the case I must have missed it, or misunderstood the extent it was meant to fill, and I apologize. However having spoken with people who read Berserk it does not appear that it goes to this level in canon.

@VitaVitaAR

Slips of the tongue everywhere. I meant to say Cinder can create anything, but the point still stands.

Anyways, my point is that the Dragonslayer can cut through magic stuff. I have provided several examples of it doing specifically this, including harming one particularly power being made of pure magic. It doesn't just turn magic in the area off, if that's what you're thinking. It will, however, cleave right through it.

Also I'm not sure a simple edit will solve this, if firegirl's personality is any indicator. It's probably best to restart the encounter, but with a different NPC. A polite, less magic-y one.

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Exact quote: "By slaying countless monsters, the sword has taken on magical properties, and can now harm magical beings that can't be hurt by mundane weapons". It isn't explicitly negating any magical anything.

@Raineh Daze

That was clearly a fancy way of saying "The sword can hurt magic stuff now." Mundane, nonmagical weapons can't typically hurt ethereal spirits or cut through mana; the Dragonslayer can do and has done both.