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A typo doesn't really create a language barrier, but okay.

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Foster said
We have a guy like Neptune, who is shallow enough to drop a date without explanation or apology, for fear of being embarrassed.
-Jaune gives Neptune a good scolding and then Neptune decides to resume his date with Weiss.

I liked Jaune for that. That was a good moment.

Foster said
And Juane, a hold-out that is being told 'No' without explanation, because Weiss felt embarrassed to be seen hanging-out with an under-achiever (be it Juane or Ruby).

With volume 2, when ever did Weiss feel or act embarrassed to be around Jaune and/or Ruby? There was the beginning of the first volume... And then they were all getting along just fine--Weiss is constantly having physical contact with Ruby, for example. And when she's around Jaune...contempt and disdain is more accurate. Not that I can blame her after his forever pursuit. That said, with Neptune talking up Jaune and Jaune done harassing Weiss, we might see Weiss and Jaune as friends in upcoming episodes.

Foster said
It seems Monty's angle isn't quite so much Juane, as much as trying to figure out why Weiss says 'No.' so often.... even to bunk-beds.

Well Weiss blatantly told us that she's weary of men going after her for her money / status. So that's one reason. From that we can gain she's a cautious person, who stops herself before getting too hopeful and involved. She's insecure. She's lonely, and she's not sure she can trust the people around her to make her feel not lonely. And, besides, even if that's what Monty's going for, he's doing it in a way that demonizes Jaune, which sucks. Monty could have easily had multiple boys approach and get rejected by Weiss to emphasize her insecurity.

Foster said
Either way, what Juane does have going for him, is persistence despite adversity; being able to put-up with Cardin's bullying was likely a quality he learned when handling his sisters' boyfriends. He may honestly think that is how guys normally act (aside from Cardin's group, and Sun+Neptune, where are all the other boys he is supposed to role-model from?).

I agree that his Cardin arc was pretty good character-building wise. However, he did not know how to put up with Cardin from the beginning, as we saw. It took Pyrrha being in danger for him to finally stand up to Cardin--it wasn't a male role model at all, but the fact that he cared about his teammate enough to put his own well being at risk. So there's no way he learned "how to deal with Cardin" from his sisters' supposed girlfriends.

What I see in Jaune is a boy who was told to "be a man," maybe from his sisters (though this seems unlikely since they taught him to dance), mother, and maybe even father as he talked about in volume 1 when telling Pyrrha why he snuck into Beacon. However, it's blatant that he was never taught how to be a man.

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Foster said
Unless his sisters have *really* bad taste in men.
-And they could be in-laws.

It still doesn't make sense. If they have "really" bad taste in men, he'd definitely know how not to act. I'm sure Jaune has some heard some horror stories about men, which makes his behavior even worse, imo. Not better explained or accounted for.

If they're in-laws, they're still close enough to teach him how to dance, so why wouldn't he be close enough to care about what kind of men they're with?

He could be emulating the men he's seen having the most 'success' at impressing his sisters, based on how much they talk of them.
-Which if you follow the Ben Franklin playboy-handbook ('bro-code), yes, it works (provided they think positive).

I doubt he's hanging around these guys while his sisters are flirting with them. I reeeally doubt it. And honestly, your theories are making him sound worse and worse, lol. "Well I didn't like the way that guy was hitting on my sister, but she eventually said yes, so maybe it'll work with Weiss!!"

I'm not trying to sound rude, but I just disagree with Monty's / RT's ideas of development and psychology. It just makes absolute no sense for Jaune to act around Weiss the way he does when he has seven sisters. Dudes with one sister have a better idea how to treat women.

It is a tad hypocritical to call any Weiss/Ruby hate/adore-to-respect/respect ship-development as character development (despite setbacks) and how Jaune is trying to figure out how non-incest relations work as anything else.

Ruby and Weiss got their issues and misunderstandings solved in a week. Multiple issues, I might add. Jaune took more than a whole semester to figure out what the hell a simple "no" means. And that's just not appealing in a boy, man, or anything. For a lot of women (myself included), the most off-putting thing in a guy is not accepting "no means no." So Jaune just was painted in a non-appealing light for a lot of people.

So no, I don't agree it's hypocritical. Ruby-Weiss character building was relatable and made sense for the overall story . Jaune's persistence was uncomfortable and spun to make him look sympathetic, which is what's extremely unfortunate it.

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Foster said
To be fair, Weiss gives off quite a few mixed signals.

??? All she's ever expressed to Jaune has been distaste and rejection. There's nothing "mixed" about "no."

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Robeatics said
Am I the only one who was kinda grossed out over Neptune basically preparing to pass Weiss over to Jaune as if she was his to just sort of hand off? And Jaune saying "Oh you should care for how girls feel!" But then turning around and not listening to Weiss when she explicitly says she's not interested in him? Do you think that scene on the balcony was supposed to be portraying Jaune as hypocritical and that it's gonna bite him in the ass later, or...?

No, I agree 100%. I really didn't like the "you can have her," line, as if she was the last cookie on the plate. That whole scene grossed me out and honestly made me feel a little uncomfortable.

I feel like RT is trying to make Jaune a sympathetic character and I think it's unfortunate that they way they're going about it is actually working with a lot of the audience. Like I said before, I'm sick of hearing "poor Jaune." He should have handled Weiss' rejection the way Weiss handled Neptune's and just backed off--that would've had me feeling bad for him and created a truly sympathetic character. More like poor Weiss for having to deal with these guys. So no, that scene was not supposed to make Jaune look like a hypocrite. It was supposed to make him seem like an okay-guy (and I guess it worked through the male gaze--but Idk)?

And Jaune doesn't come off to me as someone who would have "seven sisters" according to canon. I personally expected him to have an older brother or two who don't know how to treat women with respect yet he still looks up to them. Because that explains the behavior better, imo.

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Flamelord said
Well, another nod to the fandom in the 'Jaune is really good at dancing' thing. Oh, and he has seven sisters. That's gonna be fun to work with. And it turns out Neptune isn't totally awesome, which is nice. Good to see some character flaws and such. And yes, Team JNPR dance number was lulzy.In the meanwhile, Cinder is a good fighter, horrible at hiding unconscious bodies, has Dust infused...falchions? I think those are falchions, that also become a bow. And now we know how the Beacon deliery system works. And their wifi password.Now then, to wonder what the purpose of the Black Queen computer virus that Cinder uplloaded is.

What came to mind for me was Qrow's message to Ozpin in the first volume: "Queen has pawns."

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Well the dance has begun and we got some backstory on the sisters. :D

Any thoughts on how Emerald and Mercury are gonna fuck up the night?

Hiyo!

:D Welcome

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^ This.

I think if we took Semblances away in general, Pyrrah would still be pretty badass. She's instructing Jaune in combat, after all, so she needs to know what she's talking about. And, since we're seeing somewhat of an improvement in Jaune, she's gotta be doing something right.

As for the whole Jaune-Weiss thing, I'm kinda annoyed with Jaune and people rooting for Jaune. I'd be far more impressed if he knew how to take a hint and leave the girl alone. "Poor Jaune," people keep saying but I'm thinking, "Poor Weiss." Nothing more annoying to me than a guy who can't take a hint. It's not endearing, imo.

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Idk about you guys, but the end of last episode was pretty underwhelming. Like, I got that Cinder and them are planning some shit and we're supposed to be wondering what that is...but I couldn't take Cinder seriously...sewing and shit. xD

I did like the opening, though, with Pyrrha kicking ass.