Kratesis

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Three teenagers, ages 18, 17, and 16 respectively broke into someone's home to rob them. After discovering them in the act and 'exchanging words,' the home-owner gunned all three boys down. Thoughts?

@POOHEAD189

There isn't much detail so it's hard for me to make a definitive statement with so few facts. Ultimately I would say that if 'Zach' had a reasonable fear that his life was in danger at the moment he pulled the trigger than it was a justified killing.

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@Penny

Why ARE people in this thread? What are your individual reasons for engaging?

In this case because I can't stand strawmen. Your strawman against MDK annoyed me and I have some spare time so here we are.

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Ok? So we agree that a universal (in the sense that all people would be covered) healthcare system is possible?

@Penny

Again, there is a nuance to my claims. I imagine we agree that should the problem be sub-divided into regional components and addressed on a regional level that it is possible a limited level of care could be achieved. I also imagine that we don't agree on the what that limit is and I also imagine that we don't agree on the cases in which the costs outweigh the benefits. Could we? Yes. Should we? Perhaps not in all cases; a question worth examining.

Great, like I said I'm on board. Imagine the efficiency of scale you could get with 300 million people....

Likewise imagine the diseconomies of scale that could emerge from a flawed plan. Because the US has so frequently encountered diseconomies of scale in federal programs this is a concern that should be addressed.

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So cover everyone with mandated government healthcare with flexible systems of delivery? I'm on board.

We can even call it something other than universal healthcare if that will make people feel better.

@Penny

I know you are just stripping posts of all nuance in order to get in a jab at your ideological enemies and beat up a few strawmen but I actually think it could be done if we did it state by state. The UK has a lower GDP per capita than Tennessee and they have a national healthcare system, after all.

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Is America Somalia in this analogy? Every country faces those challenges, as you say, to greater and lesser degrees. is America really so much less able to deal with them then Australia, or Canada, or France, or Sweden, or Denmark, or Germany, or ......

@Penny

America faces difficulties that Australia, Canada, France, Sweden, Denmark and Germany do not face. The combined population of those countries (excluding America) is 225.62 million. The population of America is 323.1 million. Trying to design a plan for America is like trying to design a plan for Australia, Canada, France, Sweden, Denmark and Germany + another country with another 97.48 million people. And that doesn't begin to address the challenges of geography and diversity.

MDK has alluded to one possible solution which is to do exactly like Australia, Canada, France, Sweden, Denmark and Germany and have different plans for different areas with their own challenges, resources and values rather than trying to create one super-plan that addresses every region successfully.

This is essentially what the European Union does but using states instead of national governments.

I'm not suggesting that America dosen't face challenges in implementing some version of universal healthcare, just that I don't think that they are as insuperable as people claim.

That isn't what your first post implied.

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@Kratesis

My point being that all countries with universal healthcare systems face these challenges to a greater or lesser extent. I know the current administration doesn't exactly inspire confidence but you can do it! I believe in you USA! The idea that the greatest superpower in the history of the world cant confront the horrors of regional diversity in order to provide healthcare to its citizens is ludicrous.

@Penny

By that logic there is no difference between Somalia and Sweden because both countries face the challenges of murders and homelessness to a lesser or greater degrees.

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Yes. Also all other countries are completely homogeneous with zero regional diversity. It is known.

@Penny

That's not what he said.

Do any of you build multi RP Universes/Continuities?

Yep. I enjoy it far more than one-shot RPs.

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