NytefallSounds interesting LeeRoy, I'd have to give it a miss though. Once I'm done with the tournament one way or another I'm outta here. Whatever creativity I have is definitely dried up by now.
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There's not much point arguing the other factors. I already allowed you to get away with them despite not being wholly convinced they were legit. Though you might want to remember I never dictated to you at any point what damage you should take. I could just as easily question the amount of UN debilitating wounds from 40mm rounds your character has sustained. In reality it would probably have destroyed your characters body with a single hit.
*Gasps* You mean to tell me that the things that Melon complains about the most, are the acts that he himself commits?
I only complain about illogical actions LeeRoy. Nothing the Mech has done has been unbelievable or even particularly complicated. The only argument Doc has is that somehow by smashing a rock down on top of armour the lens underneath should be destroyed. I've explained pretty clearly that the armour is harder than the rock and the impact would be deflected away. Rather than counter this Doc used a flawed example and then gave up entirely. But still somehow expects me to be convinced? I have every right to dictate how the Mechs is affected. I chose for the raised right hand side lens in the reference picture to be damaged because it made the most logical sense.
Also I'm not entirely sure you know what circular reasoning actually means Doc. So to clarify, it means starting an argument with the conclusion, or rather, using the conclusion as evidence. I'm going to relay my two points again so you can understand.
1. Shields were historically held at an angle to deflect the shock of blows away from vital areas, the same concept applies to the armour of my Mech and all armour in general. This is evidence for the conclusion that the lens would not be broken. There is nothing circular about this reasoning, learn the term before using it as a cheap argument technique.
Now an example of circular reasoning
The lens would not be broken by the rock therefore the rock can't break the lens.
5. I did not use the word lens in my post because it had no bearing on the writing, which is artistic as much as it is practical. I also fail to mention wiring, electronics, micro-chips, joints and all manner of other details which are taken for granted for the sake of enjoyable reading. However, as we are specifically discussing the ins and outs of the Optical system, explaining that the lens is front facing and covered in armour is now important. Explain to me, pray, how this is 'circular reasoning'.
1. Shields are not armour, they are a tool, despite that they still mimic the usefulness of armour. Historically it was rare for a shield to be held face on, but at an angle, so blades and other heavy strikes glance off the surface. Same element is in play here.
2. You don't recall the Mech literally flinging itself backwards into the wall again? Do you think that would make moving around easy?
3. Higan's grab was pretty intuitive, there's only one vulnerable point on his Mech, he made a grab for that exact area and threw the Mech's weight backward, your character somehow attacked that same area (while overextending something fierce, unless Slimy is a master of rock-fu) and ducked under the grab. (how that prevented its arm from being snatched, I do not know, presumably you just ignored that the grab was designed to catch whatever part of Slimy was overextended.)
4. Actually your ineffective attack was just a poor move on your part, allowing for Slimy's knowledge of the Mech's weakpoint you should have used a better tool, as I explained. If you had struck the optics directly rather than trying to smash it through the armour we wouldn't be having this conversation.
5. Why would I suddenly start using the word lens suddenly? The picture of what the Mech's optics look like are handily shown in my reference picture, it was never hidden. I'm just using the word lens now to point out what should have been targeted.
And your counter
1. Making that move based off reactions alone is even more unbelievable, it did in fact counter itself. You quite clearly had Slimy wrap itself around the right leg and launch itself forward through the legs, it then completely reversed that momentum to crawl around the left leg and round the outside instead. It's momentum would be naturally carrying it towards the right leg because that was what it wrapped around, and certainly not the complete opposite direction.
2. Actually, my character's Computer Systems with their ability to analyse materials are quite clearly listed, not to mention the numerous vision modes it holds. If you had not lied about your character's initial location I wouldn't have even needed the anomaly radar, as the Electric vision was perfectly suitable and would have detected your character immediately had I any knowledge of where it was in the forest.
3. Obviously, echo-location does not allow one to discern the nature of objects, only the rough shape. How your character knew the slight protrusion on the top of the Mech was a 'window' is really anyone's guess.
4. It certainly seems to be, considering it's actually longer than the Mech is tall it's doing a good job at tucking all its body parts in places most convenient for it.
2. You don't recall the Mech literally flinging itself backwards into the wall again? Do you think that would make moving around easy?
3. Higan's grab was pretty intuitive, there's only one vulnerable point on his Mech, he made a grab for that exact area and threw the Mech's weight backward, your character somehow attacked that same area (while overextending something fierce, unless Slimy is a master of rock-fu) and ducked under the grab. (how that prevented its arm from being snatched, I do not know, presumably you just ignored that the grab was designed to catch whatever part of Slimy was overextended.)
4. Actually your ineffective attack was just a poor move on your part, allowing for Slimy's knowledge of the Mech's weakpoint you should have used a better tool, as I explained. If you had struck the optics directly rather than trying to smash it through the armour we wouldn't be having this conversation.
5. Why would I suddenly start using the word lens suddenly? The picture of what the Mech's optics look like are handily shown in my reference picture, it was never hidden. I'm just using the word lens now to point out what should have been targeted.
And your counter
1. Making that move based off reactions alone is even more unbelievable, it did in fact counter itself. You quite clearly had Slimy wrap itself around the right leg and launch itself forward through the legs, it then completely reversed that momentum to crawl around the left leg and round the outside instead. It's momentum would be naturally carrying it towards the right leg because that was what it wrapped around, and certainly not the complete opposite direction.
2. Actually, my character's Computer Systems with their ability to analyse materials are quite clearly listed, not to mention the numerous vision modes it holds. If you had not lied about your character's initial location I wouldn't have even needed the anomaly radar, as the Electric vision was perfectly suitable and would have detected your character immediately had I any knowledge of where it was in the forest.
3. Obviously, echo-location does not allow one to discern the nature of objects, only the rough shape. How your character knew the slight protrusion on the top of the Mech was a 'window' is really anyone's guess.
4. It certainly seems to be, considering it's actually longer than the Mech is tall it's doing a good job at tucking all its body parts in places most convenient for it.
'Not the glass, and even if the metal doesn't dent the shock can transfer to the lens.' No, that's not how armour works, if impacts were carried into the cockpit, Higan would die from anti-tank rounds, the force is deflected away from vitals, that's literally the entire point of armour of all kinds.
'The rock does not need to hit the lens directly to fuck it up' Yes it really does, as I keep referring to the reference picture the armour plating on top of the lens is literally designed for this very purpose, if it could be completely destroyed by a monster with a rock bashing on top of the armour it would be the least combat applicable lens in the universe. It's also nice that you can choose to ignore attacks until convenient, such as when Slimy carried out his rock attack in the face of a grapple while being thrown about by the Mech, dodged it, and then tried to dive through the arm.
It's not really my fault you chose an ineffective attack. Slimy presumably has long sharp claws or could have picked up a bone from the ground, something sharp and thin with which to by-pass the armour and ram directly into the lens, you essentially brought a hammer to surgery.
Actually, I decided that the right of the lens would be damaged based off the reference picture, you should check it out. You obviously haven't yet. Though the damage is really no more convenient than
1. Slimy predicting the Mech's wall/scrape defence and immediately moving to the outside of the left leg, counter to its previous movements of grappling the right leg and diving underneath the Mech.
2. Slimy having a half eaten corpse ready to heal all damage caused by the expenditure of over half the Mech's ammo.
3. Slimy having an intimate knowledge of battle mechs and their weak-spots, despite its echo-location making it highly doubtful it could discern the lens at all.
4. And finally, Slimy's infinitely changing body size, that makes it capable of waltzing around the Mech without anything pesky like logic getting in the way.
'The rock does not need to hit the lens directly to fuck it up' Yes it really does, as I keep referring to the reference picture the armour plating on top of the lens is literally designed for this very purpose, if it could be completely destroyed by a monster with a rock bashing on top of the armour it would be the least combat applicable lens in the universe. It's also nice that you can choose to ignore attacks until convenient, such as when Slimy carried out his rock attack in the face of a grapple while being thrown about by the Mech, dodged it, and then tried to dive through the arm.
It's not really my fault you chose an ineffective attack. Slimy presumably has long sharp claws or could have picked up a bone from the ground, something sharp and thin with which to by-pass the armour and ram directly into the lens, you essentially brought a hammer to surgery.
Actually, I decided that the right of the lens would be damaged based off the reference picture, you should check it out. You obviously haven't yet. Though the damage is really no more convenient than
1. Slimy predicting the Mech's wall/scrape defence and immediately moving to the outside of the left leg, counter to its previous movements of grappling the right leg and diving underneath the Mech.
2. Slimy having a half eaten corpse ready to heal all damage caused by the expenditure of over half the Mech's ammo.
3. Slimy having an intimate knowledge of battle mechs and their weak-spots, despite its echo-location making it highly doubtful it could discern the lens at all.
4. And finally, Slimy's infinitely changing body size, that makes it capable of waltzing around the Mech without anything pesky like logic getting in the way.
@MelonHead
Throughout the match I've been trying to avoid starting up OOC business. I always try to. But now, I have a piece to say. I highly doubt that the occular thing is tough enough to not be hindered by the blow. Even if the metal is too hard to dent, the shock would obliterate the lens, bulletproof or not.
Actually it literally is, I pretty clearly stated in the sheet it has a shock resistance of 100mm RHAe value, in layman terms it has the same resistance as the front armour of a tiger tank. If you look at the reference picture your creature chose a poor method for striking at it, as its protected from above. Unless you're now stating it swung wide to hit it from the front, in which case we're back to the grab situation and how it somehow failed.
Taking any damage at all from a rock was really my decision, as the rock would have no chance of being as hard as the armour your character smashed directly at, nor would it be an effective way of by-passing the armour to hit the bullet-proof lenses, as it would be too fat to impact the lens directly.
Despite the fact that it would literally do nothing however, it is still going to impact the Optics, and has already.
I'm not sure how Slimy could have ducked the grab, you did read it was aimed at whatever it ran into first, arm or head, and coming from a low angle, correct?
The A.S.P is not reaching behind itself, the optics are where the neck is on an ordinary human and it doesn't have a head. It does not need to reach far over itself because Higan cut off Slimy's escape routes by ramming backwards.
Also, I'm not sure how big your arms are but I don't see how you're not seeing the gap isn't really big enough. When I mime the action it's barely 15cm wide at its widest point, doubling that for the A.S.P still leaves a gap of maybe 1 and a half feet at most, which would be a struggle even for the Pater.
There's also the fact that you seem to think it would be impossible for the A.S.P to squeeze that gap, when it could simply drop its arm down like it were hugging a rugby ball. The moment the elbow began to dip it would twist the head of the Pater horrendously and crush its mid-section into the Mech's body.
The A.S.P is not reaching behind itself, the optics are where the neck is on an ordinary human and it doesn't have a head. It does not need to reach far over itself because Higan cut off Slimy's escape routes by ramming backwards.
Also, I'm not sure how big your arms are but I don't see how you're not seeing the gap isn't really big enough. When I mime the action it's barely 15cm wide at its widest point, doubling that for the A.S.P still leaves a gap of maybe 1 and a half feet at most, which would be a struggle even for the Pater.
There's also the fact that you seem to think it would be impossible for the A.S.P to squeeze that gap, when it could simply drop its arm down like it were hugging a rugby ball. The moment the elbow began to dip it would twist the head of the Pater horrendously and crush its mid-section into the Mech's body.
Vordak let me know when you edit.
There seemed to be something wrong with the optics immediately after the rock smashed down upon it. However, the protective armour surrounding the most sensitive part of the Mech was not fragile by any means. There was a slight fuzziness on the screen in front of Higan and black patches appeared over the right side of his vision, but that was the only immediate effect of whatever Slimy had done. The Mech had reached out and found Slimy had slipped through its grasp, but rather than making good its escape it had carried out an audacious move perhaps born from the belief it had blinded the A.S.P. The resistance as the creature tried to squeeze its head through the narrow gap between the Mech’s left bicep and forearm was enough for Higan to react. Though he couldn’t quite believe what he was seeing. The monster was squeezing through to drop down and Higan was having none of its shenanigans.
The left arm immediately dropped at the elbow, tightening the gap in the arm and stranding the head on one side of the metallic structure and the body on the other. Unless the Pater had any physical answer to the Mech’s strength, it was going to be badly crushed as the gap it tried to exploit swiftly constricted upon its middle. The Pater simply had too much body to get through the space in the time it took the Mech to carry out the fairly simplistic movement. Higan had no idea what would happen when the elbow dropped and the Mech’s arm crushed up tight to its body as if it were swearing an oath. Presumebly it would be squishy and very, very, messy.
Simultaneous to this, though in no particular way influential, the Mech’s backward momentum drove it into the wall. Higan’s body shook even as shock absorbers did their work, his head rolling slightly from the force. However, like a rugby player catching the ball and subsequently being tackled he’d keep hold of his very squishy catch as well as he could, depending on what it tried to do.
The left arm immediately dropped at the elbow, tightening the gap in the arm and stranding the head on one side of the metallic structure and the body on the other. Unless the Pater had any physical answer to the Mech’s strength, it was going to be badly crushed as the gap it tried to exploit swiftly constricted upon its middle. The Pater simply had too much body to get through the space in the time it took the Mech to carry out the fairly simplistic movement. Higan had no idea what would happen when the elbow dropped and the Mech’s arm crushed up tight to its body as if it were swearing an oath. Presumebly it would be squishy and very, very, messy.
Simultaneous to this, though in no particular way influential, the Mech’s backward momentum drove it into the wall. Higan’s body shook even as shock absorbers did their work, his head rolling slightly from the force. However, like a rugby player catching the ball and subsequently being tackled he’d keep hold of his very squishy catch as well as he could, depending on what it tried to do.
The problem is two fold.
1. Your character did not dive away from the grab but toward it so the likelihood of it completely avoiding the grab is unlikely because of how long it stuck around.
2. As you astutely pointed out the A.S.P does not have a head and the vulnerable point your character attacked is front facing (see reference pic). Attempt to sensually strangle yourself and you'll have a better idea of the gap Slimy is trying to 'exploit', the gap that forms in the arm in that movement is more like the one forming in the Mech's arm.
Anyway, I'll just post and let that do the explaining, as you're committed to diving through the Mech's arm.
1. Your character did not dive away from the grab but toward it so the likelihood of it completely avoiding the grab is unlikely because of how long it stuck around.
2. As you astutely pointed out the A.S.P does not have a head and the vulnerable point your character attacked is front facing (see reference pic). Attempt to sensually strangle yourself and you'll have a better idea of the gap Slimy is trying to 'exploit', the gap that forms in the arm in that movement is more like the one forming in the Mech's arm.
Anyway, I'll just post and let that do the explaining, as you're committed to diving through the Mech's arm.
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